tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post1242681398516621804..comments2024-03-26T04:19:38.862-07:00Comments on kitchen table math, the sequel: in which I swear off permissive parentingCatherine Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03347093496361370174noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-16617110237590466442008-07-16T05:29:00.000-07:002008-07-16T05:29:00.000-07:00That last scene is hysterical. There are a couple ...That last scene is hysterical. There are a couple of non-verbal scenes that go on for 10 minutes or more, I think. Both actresses are just amazing in it. I can't get over how good Patty Duke is at such a young age. I've seen remakes, but no one touches her, IMO.<BR/><BR/>Ole' Annie Sullivan would have been hauled off in handcuffs today.<BR/><BR/>The dvd was on sale at Amazon along with some other classics. <BR/><BR/>SusanSAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-29479350644997399532008-07-16T01:13:00.000-07:002008-07-16T01:13:00.000-07:00In http://www.zigsite.com/PDFs/LowPerfManual.pdf Z...In http://www.zigsite.com/PDFs/LowPerfManual.pdf Zig Engelmann wrote (chapter 4 page 45):<BR/>"What happens when strong habits are punished? When strong habits are effectively punished their rate and strength will increase for a short period of time and they drop off dramatically. The figure below shows the typical trend.The figure shows the rate of screeching for a child... <BR/><BR/>During the first six minutes of the record, the child is not punished and the rate of screeching is about six per minute. As soon as the<BR/>punishment begins, however, the rate of screeching accelerates to the top of the chart. It remains<BR/>high for about fifteen minutes, during which the punishment continues. Then it begins to drop<BR/>off. The punishment continues; however, the learner is also receiving reinforcement for some<BR/>quiet periods. Finally, 22 minutes after the punishment begins, the learner’s rate of screeching has dropped to nearly zero...<BR/><BR/>...Teachers frequently misunderstand the nature of effective punishment. They observe that when they “punish” a response, the rate increases. They take this as an indication that they are doing something wrong. They discontinue the punishment, not knowing that what they were doing was<BR/>appropriate, the proof of which was the escalation of the learner’s responses. In the end, they strengthen the inappropriate behavior each time they quit, because they stopped before it was<BR/>eliminated. This demonstrated to the learner that indeed the response is powerful and useful. The next time somebody tries to extinguish the inappropriate behavior, they will have to work harder than the teacher would have this time. (In the example above, if the teacher discontinued the<BR/>punishment at 20 minutes, the learner would have received a demonstration that screeching<BR/>works: “In the end, the screeching will make the teacher go away.”)"<BR/><BR/><BR/>ari-freeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-56037925915385748832008-07-15T16:50:00.000-07:002008-07-15T16:50:00.000-07:00It's up!Don't try this at home...It's up!<BR/><BR/>Don't try this at home...Catherine Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03347093496361370174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-68062279686239830312008-07-15T16:34:00.000-07:002008-07-15T16:34:00.000-07:00My problem is I have no energy. That's not true; I...My problem is I have no energy. <BR/><BR/>That's not true; I have plenty of energy.<BR/><BR/>What I do not have is the level of energy I had raising Jimmy.<BR/><BR/>Plus I've been lulled into complacency. All those years of Jimmy-battle have faded away, and I just keep thinking he was slated to turn out as well as he did (in terms of behavior).<BR/><BR/>Ed and I have both been waiting for Andrew to grow out of it.<BR/><BR/>NO COMMON SENSE-YCatherine Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03347093496361370174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-31321507646343659472008-07-15T16:32:00.000-07:002008-07-15T16:32:00.000-07:00Good idea!I should read the Helen Keller books.I s...Good idea!<BR/><BR/>I should read the Helen Keller books.<BR/><BR/>I saw the movie a million times when I was a kid -- I almost think it was fate.<BR/><BR/>It was probably my favorite movie.Catherine Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03347093496361370174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-20311136097879009282008-07-15T15:55:00.000-07:002008-07-15T15:55:00.000-07:00I'm amazed you have any energy at all.You need to ...I'm amazed you have any energy at all.<BR/><BR/>You need to put the dinner scene up first. That makes the Wa-Wa scene even better.<BR/><BR/>SusanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-87132664251463854802008-07-15T14:33:00.000-07:002008-07-15T14:33:00.000-07:00Now you've made me cry, too!I read Helen Keller hu...Now you've made me cry, too!<BR/><BR/>I read Helen Keller hundreds of times growing up. It's such an amazing story.<BR/><BR/>And, I read the long version once, 1,000 or so pages that included more details about her teacher as well--it described what she needed to know to pass the test get into junior college at age 16 (and no slack was cut for her condition.) Needless to say, most high school grads and a many college grads today would not pass.ElizabethBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06128884454595561057noreply@blogger.com