tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post2512972477370455108..comments2024-03-26T04:19:38.862-07:00Comments on kitchen table math, the sequel: Debbie Stier's 28-day critical reading intensiveCatherine Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03347093496361370174noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-52693706591171860432015-02-18T16:49:11.930-08:002015-02-18T16:49:11.930-08:00Crimson Wife ---- oh, I'm feeling GUILT!
I pr...Crimson Wife ---- oh, I'm feeling GUILT!<br /><br />I promised myself I would finally get Andrew through GrammarTrainer, and I've fallen off the wagon now that book-writing has REALLY heated up ---- <br /><br />GrammarTrainer is a FANTASTIC program - you MUST do it.Catherine Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03347093496361370174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-18993684595441187172015-02-18T16:47:59.148-08:002015-02-18T16:47:59.148-08:00Anne - boy, I think you might want to try this -- ...Anne - boy, I think you might want to try this -- I haven't read all the lessons, but I have closely read one or two, and I've been reading the kids' emails....plus I've seen the incredible progress Debbie's daughter has made. (I mentioned in the post - right? - that she had a diagnosis of dyslexia when she was little.)<br /><br />Anne - what's your email? (I've got a whole Outlook problem -- I can get your email from Blogger...)Catherine Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03347093496361370174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-64911260840693467072015-02-18T16:43:35.820-08:002015-02-18T16:43:35.820-08:00Erica -- I think we talked about this -- and you p...Erica -- I think we talked about this -- and you put it in your book!<br /><br />Morningside starts with anaphora --- they train the kids to 'fluency' in anaphora, using Robert Dixon's Reading for Success curriculum. (I think it's "Reading for Success.)Catherine Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03347093496361370174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-72120357946599459802015-02-18T16:42:12.770-08:002015-02-18T16:42:12.770-08:00Anonymous, I do disagree with this statement:
&qu...Anonymous, I do disagree with this statement:<br /><br />"Please don't forget that, for children from limited backgrounds, it IS the general knowledge deficiency that hinders their reading comprehension"<br /><br />I teach students with limited backgrounds, and have seen that they have trouble understanding reading passages even when they have the background knowledge.Catherine Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03347093496361370174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-29277601725269023782015-02-18T16:41:05.023-08:002015-02-18T16:41:05.023-08:00Anonymous - oh yes, absolutely.
My mission in lif...Anonymous - oh yes, absolutely.<br /><br />My mission in life is to push schools to return to teaching knowledge --- (and I don't think I'd be surprised by lack of knowledge, or by lack of newspapers in people's houses!)<br /><br />What I don't buy is the 'strong form' of the Core Knowledge argument for why reading comprehension is so bad.<br /><br />That says ***nothing*** about the absolute centrality of knowledge!Catherine Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03347093496361370174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-10166576777762462002015-02-18T07:04:48.980-08:002015-02-18T07:04:48.980-08:00Thank you to Catherine for mentioning the GrammarT...Thank you to Catherine for mentioning the GrammarTrainer software. It was something she'd mentioned previously but my child with autism had been far too young at that point. She's 6 now and learning to read so it's something that she'll be ready for in the next year or two. Crimson Wifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03254830856234479999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-52921423701233997662015-02-13T17:50:14.610-08:002015-02-13T17:50:14.610-08:00@ Anonymous, yes, that's my experience as well...@ Anonymous, yes, that's my experience as well. I've seen a lot of high SES kids whose cultural knowledge is extremely limited AND who have real reading (decoding) problems. I don't think there's a real shortcut to fixing that. Vocab and reading strategy practice is great for kids who have a reasonably solid foundation and who have the motivation and executive functioning skills to apply strategies when they're working independently. if the foundation is shaky and they can't even remember the strategies, there isn't going to be a quick fix. But if Catherine has any suggestions à la Morningside, I'm all ears..SATVerbalTutor.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14362826669168491773noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-8369684245139425642015-02-13T08:59:54.305-08:002015-02-13T08:59:54.305-08:00I teach 6th grade history at a Core Knowledge/Clas...I teach 6th grade history at a Core Knowledge/Classical focus charter school in a high SES area and I think many Kitchen Table Math readers would be astounded at the narrowness of the students' general knowledge of the world. I suspect 99% of my students have been to Disney World but fewer than 5% have been to Washington, D.C.. Annual cruises and ski vacations are high on the list but few students have visited a history museum, an art museum or a national park in the 12 months before they start 6th grade (I poll the students at the start of every school year). Few read non-fiction books or articles of any sort and the number of families that subscribe to a major daily newspaper is extremely limited. While I don't disagree that knowledge of language structure is critical to reading comprehension, I think building background knowledge is also important for all students. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-31431164445184652862015-02-13T08:29:27.344-08:002015-02-13T08:29:27.344-08:00@Anne Dwyer I'm on phone with tech guys and th...@Anne Dwyer I'm on phone with tech guys and they tested and said it's turned off ... so not sure what the issue is.<br /><br />Here's [the correct] link that they are testing: http://perfectscoreproject.com/28-day-critical-reading-intensive/<br /><br />Let me know if you continue to have problems.<br />Debbiestier@gmail.com<br /><br />Thanks!debbiestier@gmail.comhttp://www.perfectscoreproject.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-40540136805093647952015-02-13T08:24:55.510-08:002015-02-13T08:24:55.510-08:00Please don't forget that, for children from li...Please don't forget that, for children from limited backgrounds, it IS the general knowledge deficiency that hinders their reading comprehension. That's probably not the case for students in a position to be tutored/coached by reading experts, and students who are starting out in the high 600's.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-3246545018083437082015-02-13T07:35:29.442-08:002015-02-13T07:35:29.442-08:00@Anne Dwyer ... I just emailed the tech guys who a...@Anne Dwyer ... I just emailed the tech guys who are currently handling my site to ask, why a pop up won't go away. It doesn't show up on my computer -- but I know I x'd out of it when it did show up and it never came back.<br /><br />I would have assumed you could X out of it too. Did you try that? When I've seen a pop up on other sites ... I hit the X and it goes away.<br /><br />And I'm on a Mac too.<br /><br />@Steve H -- I had a few students go from the high 600s to the mid/high 700s.Debbie Stierhttp://www.perfectscoreproject.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-19261481213887075972015-02-13T07:03:47.747-08:002015-02-13T07:03:47.747-08:00I clicked on the link to go to the site. But there...I clicked on the link to go to the site. But there is a very, very annoying "Sign up for our newsletter" pop up that I could not close. Does everyone get that or is it just because I am on a MAC?<br /><br />I would love to do something like this for Daniel. He is taking a class at a local community college to help him take the COMPASS test.Anne Dwyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09548346496596196253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-54885625003594142792015-02-13T04:14:20.378-08:002015-02-13T04:14:20.378-08:00Is there a most effective range for CR improvement...Is there a most effective range for CR improvement? It seems that once you get over 700 it gets much more difficult.SteveHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03956560674752399562noreply@blogger.com