tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post7926840429605077554..comments2024-03-26T04:19:38.862-07:00Comments on kitchen table math, the sequel: help desk: chemistryCatherine Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03347093496361370174noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-32886424492490810342007-02-20T08:06:00.000-08:002007-02-20T08:06:00.000-08:00Brilliantly smart but NO memory. She HAS to overle...<I>Brilliantly smart but NO memory. She HAS to overlearn for something to stick.</I><BR/><BR/>That's fascinating.<BR/><BR/>How does overlearning work for her?<BR/><BR/>Once she overlearns something does it stick?<BR/><BR/>Also: does she have the equivalent of "word-finding" problems?<BR/><BR/>Do you know?<BR/><BR/>(I'm thinking of the kind of memory impairment you get with age, where you can't remember people's names. The names are obviously there, in long-term memory, but you can't retrieve them.)<BR/><BR/>btw, I think "word-finding problems" is a different issue...so I may have used the term wrong.<BR/><BR/>What I'm talking about (I realize) is: problems with retrieval.<BR/><BR/>Is that an issue?<BR/><BR/>The material is inside your head, but you can't retrieve it.Catherine Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03347093496361370174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-33199677277661828952007-02-19T12:31:00.000-08:002007-02-19T12:31:00.000-08:00That's pretty much Julie. Brilliantly smart but N...That's pretty much Julie. Brilliantly smart but NO memory. She HAS to overlearn for something to stick.Sam(antha)https://www.blogger.com/profile/02544032316367341925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-74959724589955066742007-02-19T04:38:00.000-08:002007-02-19T04:38:00.000-08:00oh boy, that's a tall orderonce she reaches automa...oh boy, that's a tall order<BR/><BR/>once she reaches automaticity does she remember things?<BR/><BR/>I'm assuming the answer is yes -- ??<BR/><BR/>This raises an issue I hadn't quite thought about in as focused a way as I should have.<BR/><BR/>A friend of mine has a son who is classified as VERY high-end special ed. "VERY" meaning that she's only managing to keep the classification by dint of pushing the district hard.<BR/><BR/>She keeps telling me that the people who test him say he has memory problems. I'm sure that's true, but how much are his memory problems a function of the school's teaching.<BR/><BR/>This kid has a knack for math and a strong interest in it - so strong that he was moved up out of "Phase 2" into regular track.<BR/><BR/>I don't think he's where he should be, though. He was in my Singapore Math class and after THREE fast facts sheets from Saxon his math facts speed zoomed. It was incredible. This was widely distributed practice, too; it was from one week to another. <BR/><BR/>The first time he did a fast facts sheet with me it took him....possibly around 10 minutes (for a 5-minute sheet).<BR/><BR/>He has very slow and precise handwriting (the multisensory teacher, who has now left the district, taught PERFECT handwriting to her classes). <BR/><BR/>I applaud the handwriting, but I thought it was a problem so I wrote the answers the next time.<BR/><BR/>He cut his time to something like 7 minutes.<BR/><BR/>The third time he did one of the sheets he wanted to write it himself and he came in under 5 minutes!<BR/><BR/>It was amazing.<BR/><BR/>I keep thinking that if this boy were taught to mastery ON EVERYTHING, he'd be zooming.<BR/><BR/>From afar, that sounds like the best plan for your sister. Purchase a self-teaching manual and "overlearn" <I>everything</I>.<BR/><BR/>I'll have to see if I can find the Dan Willingham article on overlearning.Catherine Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03347093496361370174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-40180501416879283892007-02-18T22:19:00.000-08:002007-02-18T22:19:00.000-08:00She's already 'at risk' (she was before she entere...She's already 'at risk' (she was before she entered, due to her memory problems and motor skill problems etc), and had a tutor last semester. Didn't help (enough).<BR/><BR/>Mum is going through her tests to figure out what she needs to work on, but I gather from Julie and the few of her friends that I know that what she needs to work on is... everything. Hence the desire for some studying to be done before second semester (just as first semester starts - yay).Sam(antha)https://www.blogger.com/profile/02544032316367341925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-40133495988059073472007-02-18T21:25:00.000-08:002007-02-18T21:25:00.000-08:00Sam,I am assuming this is first semester inorganic...Sam,<BR/><BR/>I am assuming this is first semester inorganic chemistry. Since your sister took chemistry before, she should have reviewed the tests. She should know what she had trouble with. The tests should give the answer as to whether she had trouble memorizing facts, understanding concepts, doing the calculations for the problems or all three.<BR/><BR/>Also, she should check with her school to see if there is some type of tutoring program for 'at risk' students. This can be for students who have failed the class before. That way, she can get a tutor right at the beginning of the semester who can help her with anything she doesn't understand.Anne Dwyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09548346496596196253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-45765342006713335352007-02-18T17:21:00.000-08:002007-02-18T17:21:00.000-08:00search terms:"programmed instruction""Keller metho...search terms:<BR/><BR/>"programmed instruction"<BR/><BR/>"Keller method"Catherine Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03347093496361370174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-8383184656941599182007-02-18T17:19:00.000-08:002007-02-18T17:19:00.000-08:00Chemistry Problem Solver by A. Lamont TylerChemistry Problem Solver by A. Lamont TylerCatherine Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03347093496361370174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-69364129644795897382007-02-18T17:18:00.000-08:002007-02-18T17:18:00.000-08:00Here is a page of Regents chem books.http://amazon...Here is a page of Regents chem books.<BR/><BR/>http://amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_/102-2743990-2970543?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Regents+chemistry&Go.x=0&Go.y=0&Go=GoCatherine Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03347093496361370174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-58690319650050317622007-02-18T17:17:00.000-08:002007-02-18T17:17:00.000-08:00Chemistry: A Self-Teaching Guide by Clifford HoukT...Chemistry: A Self-Teaching Guide by Clifford Houk<BR/><BR/>This one has fantastic reviews - I'd buy it on the strength of the reviews.<BR/><BR/>I would also check out the various Regents test prep books; they can be pretty good.Catherine Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03347093496361370174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-29570650412087853702007-02-18T17:11:00.000-08:002007-02-18T17:11:00.000-08:00Good question!I want to know, too.I think I came a...Good question!<BR/><BR/>I want to know, too.<BR/><BR/>I think I came across a self-teaching chem book the other day...looked like a good series if I can remember it (speaking of memory problems - )<BR/><BR/>hang onCatherine Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03347093496361370174noreply@blogger.com