tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post8787509950724374228..comments2024-03-26T04:19:38.862-07:00Comments on kitchen table math, the sequel: Everyday Math author defends his program against Katharine BealsCatherine Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03347093496361370174noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-32902070363759116332009-12-05T11:51:50.772-08:002009-12-05T11:51:50.772-08:00"*ALL* of the discussion focused on feel-good...<i>"*ALL* of the discussion focused on feel-good things, how to make the student feel valued or welcome or whatever (and no evidence was presented that these kids were sad or in need of lots of emotional support), and NO attention at all was paid to their academic needs, which are pressing.Our failure to address them is, to me, a *real* equity issue. But I seem to be the only one who sees things that way."</i><br /><br />As the parent of a special ed kid this is very true, and seems to be at its worst in the junior high years. It's a lot of wasted time. <br /><br />I'll quote the Dog Whisperer even though we're not talking about dogs when he says, "You can't help someone when you feel sorry for them." A lot of people, including teachers, feel sorry for special ed kids and have a hard time wrapping their brains around where they really are. Heck, it's taken me years upon years and I'm the parent. <br /><br />SusanSAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-12559012036761925972009-12-05T11:19:09.717-08:002009-12-05T11:19:09.717-08:00I meant to clarify: in a public forum.I meant to clarify: in a public forum.Cassandranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-57497407708621389262009-12-05T11:18:24.153-08:002009-12-05T11:18:24.153-08:00If you had the opportunity to ask one question of ...If you had the opportunity to ask one question of an EM program creator, what would you ask?Cassandranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-18456173722561838792009-11-21T10:58:01.913-08:002009-11-21T10:58:01.913-08:00The entitlement mentality is a disturbing phenomen...The entitlement mentality is a disturbing phenomenon. I agree it has societal roots and is not merely school -engendered.<br /><br />However, back to SteveH's question about what are they thinking -- I am not inside the heads of my colleagues, so my perceptions are speculative. But I am reasonably sure that they do NOT think what you believe they must. That is, they do not see a contradiction in what they are doing , or a problem with differentiation vs. acceleration. Many I talk to would like to see the days of "special ed" classes come back, because providing all this instruction at multiple levels is exhausting, expensive (teachers have to buy all their own stuff in low income schools) and not that rewarding in terms of results. But, few have seen effective interventions or know how good results could be even for the challenged kids, if pull-out intervention were done effectively , with DI or other curricula, and appropriately grouped students. Gifted students (or just bright high achievers) could also be well served by pull-out instruction this way. But having no awareness of these options (it has to be seen), teachers generally give them no consideration.<br /><br />The education world-view is like a parallel universe. You have to twist your consciousness around to get it. It is definitely NOT about academic achievement, or measurable learning -- these are viewed as by-products, or perhaps as means to the end, which is all about social change. I found myself in this alternate universe earlier this past week, in a support team meeting discussing two students who (for various reasons) had extremely low language skills (speaking and listening), were not SPED, but were in need of some intervention pronto (they will be SPED eventually if nothing is done). *ALL* of the discussion focused on feel-good things, how to make the student feel valued or welcome or whatever (and no evidence was presented that these kids were sad or in need of lots of emotional support), and NO attention at all was paid to their academic needs, which are pressing.Our failure to address them is, to me, a *real* equity issue. But I seem to be the only one who sees things that way.<br /><br />It just so happens that I know exactly how to fix the problem -- or at least, how to go a long way towards fixing it. Bit I couldn't get a word in edgewise. Nobody was thinking along instructional lines. It drives me nuts, and I WORK there!<br /><br />Most teachers I know agree that differentiation only works up to a point, but they rarely see the high achievers as losers in this situation. They tend to consider advancement or acceleration of bright kids as elitist, and contrary to that diversity utopia we are all embracing. They think private schools do a better job because of fewer behavior problems, better parent investment, smaller classes and so on -- external factors. In point of fact, research shows that private schools often do no better than their public counterparts, given matched demographics. However, parent and student satisfaction in private schools is much higher, because the school generally reflects values and goals that are important to both. Private schools that do have a commitment to academic excellence are in a position to ensure that it occurs, because everyone is on board. That never happens in public ed, except in places like magnet schools.palisadeskhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13700503881038569921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-75583772944265252862009-11-21T06:58:06.365-08:002009-11-21T06:58:06.365-08:00Children since 1980 have been taught they are owed...Children since 1980 have been taught they are owed. They are owed a passing mark, they are owed respect, they are owed a living. Some of these are the school's fault, some are society's. This recession still isn't deep enough to deal with the "owed a living" one without any skills. One of the biggest hit segments of the population is the factory worker with no skills.<br /><br />I am horrified by the drop-out rate of young men that we know - small town living - good young men, not drunks, druggies or bullies. And their attitude of "I'm owed" when they aren't. Ironically most of these young men come from families of factory workers or other self-employed so they have had work when they wanted it. They've never had to work for anything. Now, they live at home, work part-time if they want to... and wait for that high paying no skill factory job that no longer exists.. to come their way.<br /><br />My kids - and mine have autism - are learning at home they aren't owed. But my eldest is being pushed through and there's nothing a teacher hates more is to be made accountable about it. Luckily, we've done enough extra homeschooling/tutoring that he doesn't fight us on it, and he enjoys working with his tutor - are retired school teacher that hates the current system more than I do. I'm also lucky she does it b/c it's necessary so parents only get charged $2.50/30min... I think she charges people to make certain they show up not for the $$.<br /><br />Our school had a 65% (+/-) pass rate for eading and math in Gr 3's EQAO (Ontario), 65% rate for reading in Gr 6 and 35% pass rate for math in Gr 6. I do have the numbers upstairs but that's an approx. None were over 65% pass. The school made it sound like this was wonderful... IMO it's frightening.<br /><br />My girlfriend teaches at Univ and she says there is now 2 curves and she needs to fail the bottom 25% (the 2nd curve is under 50%), they will only let her fail 5% of them. These people will be our leaders, our politicians, our scientists.... scary.farmwifetwohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02680758336779501712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-72813164452505477042009-11-21T06:12:53.911-08:002009-11-21T06:12:53.911-08:00"I'm not sure it will help SteveH in unde..."I'm not sure it will help SteveH in understanding the educrat mind."<br /><br />This same thing is going on in our town, but what bothers me is that they don't admit it. They try to claim that they can have it both ways. How do they justify it all? I know that teachers see that differentiated instruction doesn't work for many. Teachers comment to me that private schools can do more because the kids are "pre-selected". Obviously, they know. I just wish they would be honest about it.SteveHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03956560674752399562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-89937173208500453432009-11-21T05:52:46.544-08:002009-11-21T05:52:46.544-08:00The schools have a goal. The goal is not mastery. ...<i>The schools have a goal. The goal is not mastery. The goal is to celebrate diversity: a classroom where everyone's differences are achievements in their own right. The diversity in skills is not to be overcome; it is to be catered to.</i><br /><br />Allison has hit on a very powerful truth here. I'm not sure it will help SteveH in understanding the educrat mind, given that his district seems to be a different demographic, but she has absolutely nailed it where mine is concerned. School is about valuing every individual in a diverse population, celebrating uniqueness, applauding every achievement, regardless of level. This is often termed "respect," but it is a nuance of the word respect that I am not familiar with from everyday life, where respect must be earned. Our students are specifically told that they have a right to respect, and they do <b>not</b> have to earn it. I find this a troubling message. <br /><br />Sometimes it helps to flip the coin, so to speak, and consider this whole problem from a different perspective. What if the schools are not failing? What if they are,in fact,a tremendous success? Consider for a moment what schools do well.<br />-- foster assimilation of a variety of ethnic groups, including newcomers from many disparate cultures<br />-- promote a culture of conformity. It's OK to "be yourself," but not to be too distinct from the group. Token compliance is also a big part of school culture. You can flout rules (run in the halls, use the wrong doors, wear non-uniform shirts)as long as you don't get caught, and if you are selective about which rules to flout (this is probably good training for the world of high finance). <br />-- encourage minimalism. Do your work, but don't exert yourself. Doing more or better than others will get you nowhere. You can only be a star in a team situation (think sports, or the school debate team, or something similar). <br />-- promote civility: getting along with others. This may just mean ignoring them; at its best, it means being actively helpful and considerate.<br />-- inculcate a mindset of acceptance of authority, even stupid authority. Promote "critical thinking" only within a narrow sphere -- novel studies, drama, etc. Discourage "critical thinking" that challenges current orthodoxies.<br /><br />There's more. They are all social or behavioral. Schools do other things well, too - provide reasonably good child care, offer sports and recreation opportunities, etc. but those are not our concern. The social agenda -- "celebrating diversity" -- while a good thing (I certainly support the idea) has been allowed to usurp the academic purpose of public education. I don't see why one should exclude the other (couldn't we have diversity with excellence?), but in fact this appears to be the norm.<br /><br />I was ranting to a family member who is an entrepreneurial business whiz, complaining that any business that regularly produced a 40% failure rate (I forget the context -- reading I think) would be out of business before long. I don't recall his exact response, but I do remember this much. He may have been quoting a business guru, but he observed, An organization <b>is</b> what it <b>does</b>. Never mind the PR or mission statement, what an organization actually does, year after year, *is* what it intends to do. Otherwise, it would change. If the organization regularly produces a 40% failure rate, that is no accident. It may not be the main purpose, but it is an acceptable concomitant event.<br /><br />I have tried not to think about this too much (John Taylor Gatto pops into my head), but I think my relative -- and Allison -- are both very close to some uncomfortable truths.<br /><br />--palisadeskhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13700503881038569921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-61345884490393815302009-11-19T08:47:01.953-08:002009-11-19T08:47:01.953-08:00And in the diverse classroom you substitute poster...And in the diverse classroom you substitute posters in high school for research papers to accommodate the divergent skill levels.<br /><br />Then no one learns to write but the lucky attentive few with tutors or parents willing to show them.<br /><br />With time and such a curriculum and practices there will be less breadth in intellectual skills in our public school population.<br /><br />What a high price our nation will pay for making closing the achievement gap its primary focus in education.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-65288473131765717242009-11-19T07:44:19.183-08:002009-11-19T07:44:19.183-08:00--These low cut-offs do not open doors. They close...--These low cut-offs do not open doors. They close them. Given that these schools like full inclusion and don't appreciate the importance of mastery, many kids are lost.<br /><br />I would not phrase it this way.<br /><br />The schools have a goal. The goal is not mastery. The goal is to celebrate diversity: a classroom where everyone's differences are achievements in their own right. The diversity in skills is not to be overcome; it is to be catered to. It is WHO THEY ARE. It would be wrong to change who they are; and all must be celebrated. That means make everyone feel good, no matter what level they perform at.<br /><br />These are not low expectations; they are extremely high expectations for the teacher: you will find ways to change your instruction and your questions and homework so that everyone can produce valid answers. These are high expectations along the lines of diversity. And they aren't even "low expectations" in a math sense, because mastery of math is not the goal in the first place.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-3974700867625950622009-11-19T07:04:23.711-08:002009-11-19T07:04:23.711-08:00The usual process is that the school selects a cur...The usual process is that the school selects a curriculum based on whatever requirements they want, but then demands research proof from others to get them to change. <br /><br />However, it may not matter if a school uses TERC or Singapore Math if they don't believe in or quantify grade-level performance expectations. It's not the curriculum. It the fundamental assumptions. Evidence only means something when you first agree upon the destination.<br /><br />In math, it should be easy to work backwards from high school AP calculus to Kindergarten arithmetic. In our schools, they've done this only back to 7th grade pre-algebra. They give a test in 6th grade that is filled with basic skills problems and those who want to get on the algebra in 8th grade track have to get a minimum grade. There it is in black and white, a performance specification for the top end. Unfortunately, many parents don't see its importance until it's too late.<br /><br />Before 7th grade, our schools have few requirements or expectations in math. They can (and do) use whatever math curriculum that meets whatever criteria they want. In our case, it's full inclusion. Everyday Math provides them with pedagogical cover and their only performance criteria are the very low state test cut-off points.<br /><br />These low cut-offs do not open doors. They close them. Given that these schools like full inclusion and don't appreciate the importance of mastery, many kids are lost. They happily pump them along and never worry about what happens when they hit the big 6th grade performance test filter. That's because they see algebra in 8th grade and the AP calculus track as some sort of special case. <br /><br />The problem is not that schools don't have some sort of performance definition in K-6. NCLB forces some level of accountability, but it's just too low. <br /><br />The answer is staring them in the face but they don't like what they see; the 6th grade performance test for the 8th grade algebra track. All kids may not be destined for the top math track, but schools seem to ignore the fact that the results also reflect on their K-6 curriculum.<br /><br />I attribute it all to low expectations. They just don't believe that more kids are capable of algebra in 8th grade. Fuzzy concepts of education just make it worse. Discovery and understanding are ways for them to pretend that less is more.SteveHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03956560674752399562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-46434211183607966212009-11-18T17:37:22.833-08:002009-11-18T17:37:22.833-08:00Cranberry said:
"I suppose "evidence ba...Cranberry said:<br /><br />"I suppose "evidence based" can mean whatever you want it to mean."<br /><br />I used the medical analogy because the medical field is further along in this area.<br /><br />"Evidence-based Medicine" or EBM, has lots of thought about what it means to be evidence-based. It's not "whatever you want it to mean". There are components to evidence: double-blind, placebo-controlled, etc. Size matters also, as do many aspects of sample. <br /><br />"The medical analogy is interesting, because in that field, technology is moving towards personalized medicine"<br /><br />yes, but EBM is still useful. For example, large studies tell us whether drugs are effective. Obviously, they don't work the same for everyone. But when we talk about evidence, we're not looking for it to work the same for *everyone*, but rather just say that we expect it to work when we use it because it's effective . . . not because we expect it to be effective (the placebo effect) or some other mechanism.<br /><br />It's really an application of the scientific principle that asks "does it work in the real world?", but tries to put some numbers and thought into it so we can determine whether the effect is noise or signal.RMDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08625944233681296812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-69700660549852373032009-11-18T16:26:02.200-08:002009-11-18T16:26:02.200-08:00Yes. Or, at any rate, an equation is defined as &...Yes. Or, at any rate, an equation is defined as "a number sentence that contains an equal sign." A number sentence is "a sequence of at least two numbers or expressions separated by a relation symbol (=,>,<, (can't type greater than or equal to)). Most number sentences also contain at least one operation symbol (+,-,X,*, .,/). Number sentences may also have grouping symbols, such as parentheses." <br /><br />Number story. A story with a problem that can be solved using arithmetic.<br /><br />(from the Student Reference Book for Everyday Mathematics.) (I left out a few symbols because I couldn't figure out how to type them on this keyboard.)<br /><br />My eldest child had no idea what a series was, in 6th grade. EM works with series, so she had encountered the phenomenon, but she had never heard the term, "series." Makes it hard to answer test questions which ask, "which of these increasing series satisfies the conditions..."Cranberrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-32209497885392737182009-11-18T15:00:24.969-08:002009-11-18T15:00:24.969-08:00Cranberry: What, pray tell, is a "number sent...Cranberry: What, pray tell, is a "number sentence"? An equation?Crimson Wifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03254830856234479999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-41575885233460653572009-11-18T11:49:58.848-08:002009-11-18T11:49:58.848-08:00I suppose "evidence based" can mean what...I suppose "evidence based" can mean whatever you want it to mean. I foresee a wave of mandated popsicle bridges and egg-dropping devices sweeping across the land. I find it madness to declare some programs important for STEM careers, at the same time the engineer parents are loudly dissatisfied with fuzzy math programs at the same schools! Most parents don't want to be at loggerheads with their children's teachers and schools. That so many parents with engineering and mathematical backgrounds object to fuzzy math should be a small clue that STEM fields require strong math skills.<br /><br />Only parents whose children have IEPs have the right to demand "what works best for my child." No other parent has that right, so the "it works best for my child" argument won't lead to widespread improvement. My children don't have IEPs, and I wish we had the right to say, "traditional instruction works best for our children," and opt out of fuzzy math. <br /><br />The medical analogy is interesting, because in that field, technology is moving towards personalized medicine, and away from the massive studies of everyone. Some very powerful medicines work well for a few people but not at all for others. Some work well for many people, but cause terrible side effects for a few people.<br /><br />By the way, I think both traditional and fuzzy math curricula can be effective, in the hands of teachers who really understand mathematics, and who have the freedom to adapt the curriculum as needed. I've seen it done. Unfortunately, teachers in large public systems often don't have the freedom to shape their lessons to fit their students. Their school systems also may not schedule enough time for effective math instruction. If they encourage students to complete homework in class, that may make certain that homework is completed, but it also cuts into instructional time.Cranberrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-49428662545662759302009-11-18T10:14:28.036-08:002009-11-18T10:14:28.036-08:00With respect to the comments on the effectiveness ...With respect to the comments on the effectiveness of the instructional materials like EM, it is very telling that the federal Dept of Education refused last week repeatedly to tighten up the definition of "evidence based" instructional practices in the final SFSF regs and the RttT regs.<br /><br />It expressly refused to make the standard "field tested" or "research based". That's frightening in an educational world that now asserts that something is "evidence based" if peers are on record discussing its use.<br /><br />The comment discussion also said STEM was a priority to get an RttT grant but then went on that it would not require a state's proposed STEM program even meet the low "evidence based" standard.<br /><br />Anyone hoping that RttT is really about education reform and not nationalizing fuzzy math might want to look at around page 130 (out of the 775).<br /><br />See http://www.ed.gov/programs/racetothetop/index.html and click on Notice of Final Priorities pdf at the bottom.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-46056038556887538812009-11-18T08:38:16.390-08:002009-11-18T08:38:16.390-08:00But isn't that the same as claiming all people...But isn't that the same as claiming all people think the same. All people learn the same. Only ABA therapy works for autistic children, which is blatantly false?? A smart parent learns how her child thinks, and uses that to teach a child. EVERY person out there has a learning disability. WHY?? B/c not one of us thinks or learns the same. Therefore we all have a LD wrt the person sitting next to us. Learning what it is, how we learn, how to use how we learn to maximize our learning ability... is the most important skill you can ever teach anyone.<br /><br />There is no such thing, as a perfect program.<br /><br /><br />http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2009/11/18/kate-tennier-why-does-more-classroom-time-actually-hinder-learning.aspx<br /><br />In my Google feed this morning - just an FYI.farmwifetwohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02680758336779501712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-81914265995848505652009-11-18T08:33:41.052-08:002009-11-18T08:33:41.052-08:00a couple of notes . . .
assessment is a big prob...a couple of notes . . . <br /><br />assessment is a big problem only when they're trying to "game" the system . . . which they're trying to do all the time! ;-) <br /><br />state standards are typically too nonspecific and watered down to be of use. I would suggest some type of 3rd party test (e.g., ITBS). obviously, curriculum developers don't want to use these tests and will give various reasons why they are inappropriate<br /><br />here's the issue that we, as parents, need to grapple with. the "this works best for my child" approach doesn't match the evidence. for example, Follow Through showed that Direct Instruction worked best for *all* children, regardless of background, race, or other factors. And Follow Through wasn't your typical small study. it was massive and comprehensive . . . and decisive<br /><br />as parents, if we use the "this works best for my child" approach, we are left with nothing because the educational establishment doesn't have to respond with real support for their programs<br /><br />we should think of education on a societal basis like medical interventions . . . either the intervention works better than (insert here . . . placebo, program X, nothing) or it doesn't. there will still be arguments, but there will be surprising results (e.g., the recent study that showed that niacin worked better than prescription heart medicine) and probably some useful resultsRMDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08625944233681296812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-69976627868555711642009-11-18T07:34:18.608-08:002009-11-18T07:34:18.608-08:00RMD: assessment is the huge problem with "in...RMD: assessment is the huge problem with "insisting on proof that the curriculum works." Many schools have chosen Everyday Math, and the like, because they believe they align well with state tests. How well will a "traditional" student do on a "fuzzy," language-heavy test? How well will a "fuzzy" student do on a traditional test? I don't think anyone has studied that. I think it's just an assumption that you need a fuzzy curriculum to handle a fuzzy test.<br /><br />I think it would be interesting to give modern students an old-fashioned math exam, from the old days. Are today's students on a par with the students of 1955? I know that many students don't know standard mathematical vocabulary, because their curricula bend over backwards to use different words--"number sentence" and such.Cranberrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-16419370374698693432009-11-18T06:09:32.475-08:002009-11-18T06:09:32.475-08:00RMD - as a parent I researched a variety of school...RMD - as a parent I researched a variety of schooling methods. The one that interested me the most and seemed to fit my children's learning style was "Classical Method". Then I found an online store that sold these books and I called, talked to them, and opted to try the Gr 3 one's since I hadn't found what I wanted elsewhere.<br /><br />It took time, and IMO, worth the time even though maybe we could have started sooner.... that coulda, woulda, shoulda list :)... but an important step in the process.<br /><br />My child may learn this way... another may not... All I can do is offer up what worked for us. Classical Math, Saxon books, are VERY straight forward with an emphasis on learning basic addition/sub/mult/div facts. They repeat and repeat and repeat the skills needed to be taught. They build slowly on the previous skill taught making certain the child has learned the first step before the next step is taught. It was exactly what I was looking for.farmwifetwohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02680758336779501712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-57055195216032928112009-11-18T05:35:43.894-08:002009-11-18T05:35:43.894-08:00Notice something about Dr. Isaacs response . . . h...Notice something about Dr. Isaacs response . . . he cites no evidence for effectiveness. No trials. No field testing.<br /><br />I'm coming to the conclusion that, as parents, we should insist on proof that a curriculum works, even for HS favorites like Singapore and Saxon Math. This should come as trials or comparisons among similar classes. Until we do this, we'll continue to succumb to "you just don't understand the curriculum" arguments.RMDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08625944233681296812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-51271496880949196092009-11-18T04:35:57.376-08:002009-11-18T04:35:57.376-08:00Which is why we redid the Gr 3 curriculum with the...Which is why we redid the Gr 3 curriculum with the elder using Classical Math - Saxon work books. And at Gr 5 he's doing well - NLD dx.<br /><br />And are redoing Gr 2 curriculum - Saxon materials with the younger. Autistic disorder dx. And it's helping in Gr 3 teach math concepts and words, appropriately. We are using a calculator for the math. For some reason he doesn't understand he can memorize math facts like he can words - reads age appropriate at Gr 3 - but IMO, that's what technology is for.<br /><br />Ont may call it something else... but it's still the same crappy curriculum and NOT appropriate for children with autism.farmwifetwohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02680758336779501712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-51071917246283153532009-11-17T21:16:22.756-08:002009-11-17T21:16:22.756-08:00AmyP: "Anybody here familiar with the 'no...AmyP: "Anybody here familiar with the 'no true Scotsman' fallacy?"<br /><br />Some of us have <a href="http://www.kitchentablemath.net/twiki/bin/view/Kitchen/LogicalFallacyBingo" rel="nofollow">a bit of experience with logical fallacies</a>. 8-)<br /><br />(Maybe I should repost that here.)Doug Sundsethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01848091504066560951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-33303454899080047472009-11-17T16:47:54.359-08:002009-11-17T16:47:54.359-08:00Allison,
I don't have a definition of brillian...Allison,<br />I don't have a definition of brilliant, just a gut feeling about it. I work with a lot of very smart people in a medical field, but most of them I wouldn't consider brilliant. I reserve that for truly exceptional individuals, but I don't claim to know what makes them exceptional. Creative thinking combined with extreme intelligence maybe? <br /><br />She catches on to new concepts quickly and can do related problems without difficulty. OTOH, the math whizzes I've known think up new ways to do a math problem and figure out new concepts without being taught. She's not like that.<br /><br />She's been tested and falls into the moderately gifted range. I could be wrong. Maybe she is brilliant. Who knows. I just think the other kids in her class, who can't add and subtract fractions, are just as smart as she is, and the difference is they haven't been taught how to do it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-55359750842391118412009-11-17T14:07:43.629-08:002009-11-17T14:07:43.629-08:00Anon at 6:51 AM:
why do you say your daughter is b...Anon at 6:51 AM:<br />why do you say your daughter is bright but not brilliant?<br /><br />What would make you say she was brilliant? <br /><br />I am wondering what people are using for yardsticks, not trying to critique your answers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-39807801322432465062009-11-17T09:19:41.569-08:002009-11-17T09:19:41.569-08:00Thanks for writing that op-ed. I've got an end...Thanks for writing that op-ed. I've got an endless list of complaints about Everyday Math from a parenting perspective, but my complaints about its effects on my autistic son are far more serious. I've blogged your op-ed and our experiences with this idiotic math "program."<br />http://daisymayfattypants.blogspot.com/2009/11/wrong-math-for-autism.htmlEJ Willinghamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07333507287598525182noreply@blogger.com