tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post6278917370560446513..comments2024-03-26T04:19:38.862-07:00Comments on kitchen table math, the sequel: One school's take on teacher certificationCatherine Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03347093496361370174noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-45736587515747844182010-04-08T09:27:54.826-07:002010-04-08T09:27:54.826-07:00Since most went off to fancy prep schools (they we...<i>Since most went off to fancy prep schools (they were listed in the 8th grade graduation program next to each student), then they didn't worry about the curriculum.</i><br /><br />The board member I met actually said that prep schools don't care about math.<br /><br />They may not care about math, but they do care about ISEE scores.Catherine Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03347093496361370174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-10881509851842818062010-04-07T15:35:13.289-07:002010-04-07T15:35:13.289-07:00It sounds as if there might be a market in Westche...It sounds as if there might be a market in Westchester County for a private school that stressed real phonics, spelling, grammar,composition, high-quality fiction and non-fiction, real (Singapore etc.) math, serious content across all disciplines (CK or Wise Bauer's classical), explicit teaching to mastery, homogeneous grouping by subject, immediate help for struggling students and allowing/encouraging acceleration. With the existing demographics, I'd think kids would soar to great heights with that kind of program (without outside tutoring!) and class sizes could probably be larger than at public schools, with no problems.momof4noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-38954895005213772422010-04-07T13:22:40.339-07:002010-04-07T13:22:40.339-07:00It can be a matter of choices. There were no priva...It can be a matter of choices. There were no private schools in our region that didn't use Everyday Math or somthing like it. Our son was in public school in first grade using MathLand.<br /><br />At the private school, I didn't sense that many parents really knew the issues. When my son got to 5th grade, we actually got to have a meeting about EM with teachers and parents. The idea of "balance" came up and it was all over.<br /><br />What parents looked at most were where they kids went to high school after 8th grade. Since most went off to fancy prep schools (they were listed in the 8th grade graduation program next to each student), then they didn't worry about the curriculum. Some of us parents pushed those issue, but the school wasn't receptive.SteveHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03956560674752399562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-45992890932430248012010-04-07T13:05:35.283-07:002010-04-07T13:05:35.283-07:00I thought about that when looking at the book abou...I thought about that when looking at the book about Jesuit schools thriving while other Catholic schools are closing. <br /><br />My guess is that Catholic schools would stand a better chance of surviving if they offered a clear alternative to public schools.<br /><br />Which would mean, among other things, no Everyday Math.<br /><br />Of course, the fact that parents are paying fantastic sums of money to send their kids to private schools using Everyday Math & Connected Math may refute that argument altogether.Catherine Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03347093496361370174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-9694809037476362112010-04-07T12:08:26.840-07:002010-04-07T12:08:26.840-07:00I recently looked at schools in eastern PA. PA has...I recently looked at schools in eastern PA. PA has onerous homeschooling rules, and Eastern PA has some very limited Catholic school options. Philly itself has terrible public schools, and the suburbs have a lot of very expensive private schools, esp. near Bryn Mawr, Haverford, etc.<br /><br />All of the schools who listed their curricula on their web sites used Everyday Math for grammar schooling. We're talking 10k or more in tuition for K-5, and Everyday Math, (just like the Philly public schools, btw.) No deviation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-7070885322603091212010-04-07T11:52:40.513-07:002010-04-07T11:52:40.513-07:00I actually know someone on the board of that schoo...I actually know someone on the board of that school --- the board member completely rejects the possibility that the math curriculum could be bad or that the curriculum is any business of the board's. <br /><br />They fire teachers all the time.<br /><br />But they never look at or ask about curriculum.Catherine Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03347093496361370174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-31076537196020389252010-04-07T11:40:28.767-07:002010-04-07T11:40:28.767-07:00sigh
I just looked through the school's cours...sigh<br /><br />I just looked through the school's course guide & found Fountas & Pinnell and Rebecca Sitton.<br /><br />Actually, the course guide is funny because for reading they've got the public school constructivist books (F&) **and** the afterschool deliberate practice books (Ridgewood Grammar by Educators Publishing Service)<br /><br />I see they've got Connected Math for the middle school years...<br /><br />Parents are paying $30K a year for this.Catherine Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03347093496361370174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-12285010447328613332010-04-07T11:36:27.819-07:002010-04-07T11:36:27.819-07:00I don't know whether parents are complaining a...<i>I don't know whether parents are complaining about the math curriculum per se.</i><br /><br />Excellent observation. Since fidelity of implementation of Everyday Math or TERC results in inherently poor teaching, the teaching and curriculum may be one and the same.Barry Garelickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01281266848110087415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-5028287659275819592010-04-07T11:17:25.789-07:002010-04-07T11:17:25.789-07:00One thing we noticed when we looked at most of the...One thing we noticed when we looked at most of the private schools here (Westchester County & Manhattan) was that teachers teaching liberal arts & social sciences typically didn't have ed school degrees but very often teachers teaching math did.<br /><br />That was distressing. Constructivist math -- or at least teacher training in constructivist math -- has thoroughly penetrated the private schools here, I think.<br /><br />A friend of mine talked to the Math Chair at a private K-8 school in MA & learned that the school use Everyday Math. The math chair told her that parents using Saxon Math to teach their kids are 'abusing their children.' That was the term: abuse. <br /><br />This is an elite private K-9 school.<br /><br />The math chair also dismissed Singapore Math as being insufficiently.....real-world, I think. <br /><br />Apparently the school has been receiving complaints about the quality of the math teaching. I don't know whether parents are complaining about the math curriculum per se.Catherine Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03347093496361370174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-12412338266226119242010-04-05T14:24:40.085-07:002010-04-05T14:24:40.085-07:00The teachers at my children's private schools ...The teachers at my children's private schools do not have ed school degrees. They usually have undergraduate degrees in non-education majors from Liberal Arts Colleges, State colleges and tech schools. They either have degrees in the subject they teach, or in a related field. <br /><br />Both schools teach with an eye to the demands of the next level of schooling. Thus, the middle school looks to place their students into demanding prep schools, and the high school looks to place students into the top colleges. This shapes the curriculum. In both schools, particular emphasis is placed upon training students to develop the work habits needed to flourish at the next level. The middle school regularly assigns 3 hours of homework (not busy work). The high school work runs from 3 to 5 hours. <br /><br />I believe that training of teachers is done as an apprenticeship. My impression is that teachers are given a great deal of feedback as they learn how to teach. There also seems to be a greater ease in transferring from one private school to another, as they aren't as tied to one school by tenure and seniority rules.Cranberrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-42608088547628166012010-04-05T11:28:49.914-07:002010-04-05T11:28:49.914-07:00Here (Ontario) the K to 8's have a 4yr undergr...Here (Ontario) the K to 8's have a 4yr undergrad of something.. most sociology or psychiatry... no Dr's anywhere... One year of Teacher's college and that's it. And Teacher's college is to learn the paperwork and prov curriculum.<br /><br />I don't know if the 9's to 12's have to have an undergrad in the course they are teaching or not. Once upon a time, probably... but now I have my doubts. Again 1yr of Teacher's college.<br /><br />And... since they've taken their 1 yr of Teacher's College... they will all tell you they are the only one's who can teach.farmwifetwohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02680758336779501712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7691251033406320222.post-82546654873883062742010-04-05T11:20:22.014-07:002010-04-05T11:20:22.014-07:00I should also mention that my kids did not attend ...I should also mention that my kids did not attend this school, even though they are a Core knowledge/Singapore Math school. (Yes, we have TWO schools who teach both CK and SM town!) They have an interesting philosophy of math education, though.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01239123267984420065noreply@blogger.com