kitchen table math, the sequel: Larry Cuban on technology in the schools

Monday, December 1, 2008

Larry Cuban on technology in the schools

Larry Cuban (author of Oversold and Underused: Computers in the Classroom): U.S. school reformers have a tradition of overselling and underusing technological innovations. Thus the chances of widespread adoption in schools of new classroom technologies in the next decade are in the 70 to 90 percent probability range, but the probability of routine use in most schools for instruction is much lower, in the 10 to 20 percent range.... Regardless of what technological enthusiasts predict, no “revolutions” in technology use have occurred in U.S. schools and classrooms....

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Slight increases in home schooling may occur—say from 1.1 million students in 2003 to 2 or 3 million by the end of the decade. The slight uptick would be due to both the availability of technology and a far broader menu of choices for parents. Online college curricula and offerings from for-profit entrepreneurs give home-schooling, anxious college-driven, and rural parents new options. [ed.: Anxious college-driven parents, you say. Well, maybe if someone listened to anxious college-driven parents once in a while, we'd have fewer SMARTBoards and more college preparation.]

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In tracking such technological innovations as film, radio, television, videocassettes, and desktop computers over the past half century, I found a common cycle. First, the promoters’ exhilaration splashes over decisionmakers as they purchase and deploy equipment in schools and classrooms. Then academics conduct studies to determine the effectiveness of the innovation as compared to standard practice; they survey teachers and occasionally visit classrooms to see student and teacher use of the innovation. Academics often find that the technological innovation is just as good as—seldom superior to—conventional instruction in conveying information and teaching skills. They also find that classroom use is less than expected. Formal adoption of high-tech innovations does not mean teachers have total access to devices or use them on a daily basis. Such studies often unleash stinging rebukes of administrators and teachers for spending scarce dollars on expensive machinery that fails to display superiority over existing techniques of instruction and, even worse, is only occasionally used.

Few earnest champions of classroom technology understand the multiple and complicated roles teachers perform, address the realities of classrooms within age-graded schools, respect teacher expertise, or consider the practical questions teachers ask about any technological innovation that a school board and superintendent decide to adopt, buy, and deploy. Is the new technology simple to use? Versatile? Reliable? Durable? How much energy and time will I as a teacher have to expend to use the new technology for what net return in enhanced student learning? Will the innovation help me solve problems that I face in the classroom? Providing teachers with economic or organizational incentives to use technology won’t answer these practical questions. Were policymakers, researchers, designers of the innovation, and business-inspired reformers to ask and then consider answers to these questions, perhaps the predictable cycle might be interrupted. [ed.: or -- and here's a thought -- policymakers, researchers, designers of the innovation, and business-inspired reformers could ask parents and taxpayers whether they feel like shelling out $4000 for SMARTBoards when a $400 data projector would serve]

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...tax-supported schools are expected to convert children into adults who are literate, law abiding, engaged in their communities, informed about issues, economically independent, and respectful of differences among Americans. [ed.: so....if a parent had written that list, would you expect to see the words "well-educated" on it? or "able to spell"? or, perhaps, "able to add, subtract, multiply, and divide without using a calculator"?] Schools are held publicly responsible for achieving those ends [ed: wrong again]

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It is a mistake to assume that if schools just adopt classroom technologies, academic achievement will improve, teaching will change dramatically, and students will be better prepared for the 21st-century workplace. Evidence for each reason to adopt technology is at best skimpy and at worst missing altogether.

Virtual Schools
by John Chubb, Terry Moe, and Larry Cuban
Education Next
Winter 2009
vol. 9, no. 1

When we toured private schools last spring, we found that the better the school, the less the reliance on technology, generally speaking. Dalton didn't have a single SMARTBoard. [see Anonymous, in Comments below]

The principal of Hogwarts told us that they've been considering investing in technology for the school, but so far they haven't seen anything to convince them that the benefits justify the costs.

Then he said a pencil is technology.

24 comments:

RMD said...

I'm not sure Dalton is a fair comparison for any school.

When you can pick only the best and brightest, give them one-on-one attention, and ensure that they're families will take up the slack, it's not a good example to go to for what works in the rest of the world.

Anonymous said...

I found this part funny:

"Slight increases in home schooling may occur—say from 1.1 million students in 2003 to 2 or 3 million by the end of the decade."

You could write the same sentence like this:

"Slight increases in home schooling may occur -- say a doubling or tripling of students in the next seven years."

-Mark Roulo

Anonymous said...

"In tracking such technological innovations as film, radio, television, videocassettes..."

I'd like to focus on videocassettes for a moment.

I suggest that spending one hour, twice per week, in 4th-6th grade watching some good science/nature documentary would provide a better "science" education than most 4th - 6th graders get now (one metric I care a lot about is, "How much do they remember 3-4 years later"). Cheap, easy, and if any reasonable care is used in selecting the shows, it will also hold the interest of the kids.

Examples would be:
*) The old "Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom"
*) The Walking with Dinosaurs series
*) The "Planet Earth" series from the BBC (I haven't watched this one)

The NOVA family of videos look promising, too.

This isn't going to happen, though...


-Mark Roulo

Anonymous said...

Ummm, when I clicked on the link to Dalton's page - the first image was of a teacher working with a SMART Board - the image rotates, so you may have to hit refresh a number of times to get it to pop up... but you can also check out the Technology page and on their facilities information, there is a picture of a teacher using a 500 series SMART Board (so that is at least 3-4 years old if not more) + they mention that part of their plan is to have SMART Boards...

So, if your point was that Dalton is a model to follow (aside from the obvious things like student selection), then you should be pro- SMART Boards :-)

Barry Garelick said...

In the 50's and 60's, the big technology was something called "film strips" which were rather boring. I do remember the advent of the overhead projector in fall of 1963. It was a real breakthrough in that it allowed teachers to write things for the class without turning their backs. Of course, the bright light blinded them, so that once the returned their focus to the classroom they couldn't see a thing.

Catherine Johnson said...

Ummm, when I clicked on the link to Dalton's page - the first image was of a teacher working with a SMART Board - the image rotates, so you may have to hit refresh a number of times to get it to pop up...

shoot me

What I failed to mention in my post was the fact that the person giving us the tour was keenly interested in SMARTBoard technology. (The person giving us the tour was an administrator in a position to make a decision on these things.)

Ed and I both told him SMARTBoards aren't worth the money.

I will now retreat to the position of saying that AT THE TIME Dalton had no SMARTBoards.

Hogwarts has one, I think.

Catherine Johnson said...

I love the film strips business -- film strips are the ur-example of a technology that was going to revolutionize the schools and finally get rid of books.

The ridiculous thing is, if you want to get the books out of schools, all you have to do is keep teaching reading via balanced literacy.

That'll do it.

Catherine Johnson said...

Dalton is a fair comparison for any school

It's not fair to compare the student bodies, but it's perfectly fair to compare the teaching & curriculum. Affluent suburbs pay their teachers more than private schools do & can afford any curriculum they want.

We were shown around the school twice, once by the CFO & once by a student. I interviewed the student extensively about writing instruction. It was completely different from writing instruction at any affluent suburban school I've encountered. It was explicit, direct, and teachers spent hours writing comments on student papers.

That no longer happens in wealthy public schools. Instead we've got peer editing and writing workshop.

Catherine Johnson said...

Of course, the bright light blinded them, so that once the returned their focus to the classroom they couldn't see a thing.

I didn't know that!

Catherine Johnson said...

so that is at least 3-4 years old if not more

interesting

I must have misunderstood the CFO. As we toured the building, he asked about SMARTBoards in our school district. Although we said they weren't worth the money, he seemed very interested in them.

The school must have been contemplating a larger investment in them -- or they'd already made up their minds to buy them.

Catherine Johnson said...

We saw two schools that had invested heavily in laptops....which I wasn't crazy about. Students were sitting sprawled out in the halls staring at their laptops.

Kids are spending far too much time on the internet as far as I'm concerned.

So am I!

Anonymous said...

"the chances of widespread adoption in schools of new classroom technologies in the next decade are in the 70 to 90 percent probability range"

The chances of widespread adoption in schools of Singapore Math in the next decade are in the 0 to 10 percent probability range.

ari-free

Jo Anne C said...

Another good science resource that I would add to the list provided by Mark Rolo is the "Watch Mr. Wizzard" TV series (available on DVD from this link)

http://www.mrwizardstudios.com/

My husband pulled out the show on inertia last night to demonstrate the relationship between mass, force, and acceleration.
(f=m x a)

The CD saved me from having to do some poorly contrived experiments assigned via the K-12 online curriculum we are using. I would have likely botched the "hands on" work (as I have in the past) due to my lack of understanding, and the limited results that can be obtained using their experiments.

Mr. Wizzard Rocks

Ben Calvin said...

I think many people want technology to substitute for curriculum. If they buy this thing (laptop, smartboard, etc.) they won't have to make a decision about curriculum (DI, Singapore, etc.) they don't want to make.

I'm sure you can design a good curriculum using these devices. But they're just devices. You can play SpongeBob SquarePants or Rashomon on the same device (although I may be unfairly slighting Spongebob in this comparison).

Mr. Nauton said...

Love the Planet Earth -- focus is on nature/animals, but touches on social studies, history, conservation...

btw, my credential classes now are all technology, technology, technology...

Barry Garelick said...

Jo Anne,
I was a big fan of "Ask Mr. Wizard". I think he had a little boy assist him with the various experiments. One time, Mr. Wizard burned pure sodium in a canister that contained chlorine. This blew my mind that something could burn in a gas other than oxygen. Mr. Wizard explained that the residue left over from the combustion would be sodium chloride--ordinary table salt. I thought it unfair, however, that he had his boy assistant taste it to verify. "Now remember, Billy, only take a tiny bit on the tip of your tongue." There were fewer lawyers around in those days, I guess.

RMD said...

"Dalton is a fair comparison for any school"

My point is that society looks at upper-class private schools to figure out what to do, and it's the wrong place to look, since it's hard to distinguish between the effects created by having many high performers and the effect created by a school's curriculum.

If you really want to learn what works with everyone, look at low SES schools that don't have admission criteria, and still get results. It's in these places that you'll really see what works.

And if you say the Dalton school is very directed in its instruction and such, then I'll believe you. I just don't want to design a technology policy based on that observation.

Thank you.

Anonymous said...

"If you really want to learn what works with everyone, look at low SES schools that don't have admission criteria, and still get results. It's in these places that you'll really see what works."

Well, there we'll have to disagree, because I think that successful low SES schools have to overcome their students' original deficits in preparation, before they can proceed. Any successful low SES schools has to have a sharp focus on the basics, and has to remediate from day one.

However, the recipe of long school days, and relentless focus on test scores may be not the right thing for middle class schools, in which many students walk through the door in first grade already reading.

It's analogous to the debate over preschool. Some effect can be seen for the children who come from the most impoverished backgrounds. No effect has been shown for students who come from the middle class.

RMD said...

Yes, we'll have to disagree.

First of all, long days and relentless focus on test scores is NOT a recipe for success. Using a successful curriculum (i.e., Direct Instruction) is. Take Franklin Academy in Wake Forest, NC for example. They are a charter school that averages 1 year and 4 months of achievement on the Iowa Test of Basic Skills for every school year across all students and subjects (they max out portions of the test in 10th grade!). While they do have a year-round calendar (but with the same number of days), they don't have a longer school day, and they have all the extras like sports teams, etc. Also look at City Springs in Baltimore, and the other schools in the Baltimore Curriculum Project.

And as for preschools . . .

Zig Engelmann, creator of Direct Instruction(DI), achieved significant outcomes with his early version of DI at the Engelmann-Bereiter preschool back in the 1960s using children who applied but didn't get into private Montessori schools. These middle class children out-performed their peers at the end of the program by a grade or more with only 1 hour of instruction per day.

Take a look at
http://tinyurl.com/58j6wh
for the full report. It's worthwhile reading.

Here's my point: terrific kids can cover up problems with mediocre instruction.

concernedCTparent said...

Here's my point: terrific kids can cover up problems with mediocre instruction.

Yes. Yes. Yes.

These terrific kids with the mediocre instruction are then held up as the template for other schools to follow. Miserable curricula and teaching practices then go on to multiply and fester in other schools much to the dismay of those watching (parents) and those paying (taxpayers). This is, indeed, quite a conundrum.

Anonymous said...

Jh, you're writing of the curriculum schools could use. I'm writing of the curriculum they will use.

I've read of Direct Instruction, and I know of Project Follow Through. The reports are very impressive. However, Direct Instruction is more than a curriculum. It's an entirely different way of teaching, and the resistance to such approaches is very strong among teachers, and in ed schools. "Scripted" curricula aren't popular, to say the least.

DI also calls for children to be arranged in groups by their current level of mastery. This runs directly counter to the mania for heterogenous classes, and the condemnation of tracking. In our state, tracking in the middle school has been outlawed, with the exception of very mild tracking in math.

Our state has already begun a pilot program for longer school days. It's not hard to see that this is the wave of the future. It's more convenient for working families, and for low SES kids, it keeps them in a safe environment, rather than discharging them to the streets.

Interestingly, an affluent local town decided not to participate in the grant program, due to parent opposition.

RMD said...

cranberry,

and here's the even sadder fact . . .

longer schools days will not work either, other than making parents and administrators feel better that they are "trying".

kids will still be confused by poor instruction

and yes, parents and administrators will continue to pick ineffective curricula over curricula that work (i.e., DI) even though the curricula that works acts differently.

People forget that to get different results you need a different system. It's akin to GM workers working longer hours to solve their problems.

And I've seen DI in action. When you see kids that are on fire because they have figured out that they are smart, all the issues go away, in my mind at least.

Anonymous said...

I think it's possible that longer days can be made to seem to work, in the short term. Administrators in large systems have many ways to support a system, especially if it promises to improve their reputation. Any longer school day programs should be looked at carefully. Who was selected to teach in the pilot program? Who were the students? Is removal from the longer day program an effective disciplinary threat? Also, when the programs are piloted side-by-side with shorter day programs, does each program receive the same support from the administration? There are plenty of ways to influence results.

A local preschool advertised DI instruction. I saw a demonstration. It did look effective. Here's the interesting part: the school has stopped advertising the program. I don't know why. I think it's possible that the local, affluent parents were not impressed by a preschool program which emphasizes literacy.

RMD said...

cranberry,

it's interesting . . . middle-and upper-class parents are often afraid of preschools that emphasize academic achievement because they're afraid that it will "ruin" their kids. the advocates of child development have won the day, but with absolutely zero evidence backing their claims.

Besides, Piaget has been discredited multiple times, but his theories (i.e., not proven hypotheses) are still widely believed.

it's quite sad.