kitchen table math, the sequel: which teacher would you rather have?

Wednesday, October 3, 2007

which teacher would you rather have?

this teacher:
Fluent Writing: How to Teach the Art of Pacing
by Denise Leograndis


Chapter 1

Synthesizing a Definition

When I first saw that NCEE New Standards bullet—provides pacing—I checked my memory for any knowledge of pacing in writing. Nothing. Apparently I had either forgotten or never heard of it in a writing context. I was careful to check way back to memories of lessons in my high school and college writing classes. Still nothing.

I proceeded to search out a definition. I found many similar and different and overlapping references. Eventually, I synthesized all these references and my supporting inquiry work into something that, I believe, makes sense and more importantly works well for my students.


Checking My Schema

As with any new learning that we encounter, we start building an understanding based on what we already know. As I had no pacing in writing connection, I checked my own schema for any references to pace and pacing. I found pace car, pace yourself, pick up the pace, and memories of my track coach hollering at me over his stopwatch.

All references to controlling speed

Let’s look at the ubiquitous “Pace yourself.” We use it in all sorts of different situations. We pace ourselves when we take on projects. For our students, we pace individual lessons and our yearlong plans. To pace something well is complex. To get the overall plan to work, you’ve got to consider and have control over all the details, big and small.

Control over all the details, big and small, to control the pace. True in life. Also true in writing?

I started asking around.


Advice from Others

“You know, short, medium, and long sentences,” a veteran teacher told me. I nodded. I had (and still do) read plenty of student writing where each sentence ends predictably at the same length as the last. Lifeless writing. Droning writing. Certainly sentence length is a critical element for the writer to control.

So I had the specific detail of sentence length. But is that the only detail that controls the pacing in writing? I needed more.

I asked a literacy coach. “It’s spending time on the important moment in the piece,” she said. Yes, I understood that. I remembered a fourth-grade student from the year before. He had spent every moment of our writing time nose down, writing and writing. By the time I conferred with him, he had nine pages of meticulous details of a five-hour plane ride he took to visit a relative he rarely saw. He recounted his journey from the car ride to the airport parking lot, to the ticket counter to the takeoff, the meal, the movie, everything. The joyous two-day reunion with the relative got one short paragraph. Followed by a “The End.” Boring writing. Disappointing writing.

Now I had two ways to focus a pacing lens on a piece, a small lens—controlling the pace through the details of a sentence length and a big lens—the balance of proper attention and time spent on the important moments in a piece. Anything else? I kept searching.


References in Professional Books


I gathered every professional book I owned or could borrow. I scanned the indexes, tables of contents and read every possible paragraph where pacing might show up. I found a little help here and there.

etc.

What’s on the Net?

There’s the axiom “consider the source.” Always good advice, but when comparing information gleaned from the Net as opposed to say, a book, I would prefer “judge the message, not the medium of conveyance.” So I surfed and I judged. I was determined to find definitions and explanations that made sense and would be helpful.



or this teacher:
Summarizing, Paraphrasing, and Retelling: Skills for Better Reading, Writing, and Test Taking by Emily Kissner
ISBN-10: 0325007977
ISBN-13: 978-0325007977



Introduction

I started teaching language arts at the height of the whole language movement. The supervisor in my district had removed the old scope and sequence, drill and kill-based curriculum in favor of a far more open curriculum that allowed teachers to plan their own lessons and make their own judgments. “But I have no judgment!” I remember wailing to my mother, also a teacher. “How do you think I learned what to do?” she asked, and showed me her bookshelf, which was covered with stacks and stacks of professional books. I got the message. I couldn’t expect to make it through a career of teaching with only the knowledge I had picked up in a handful of undergraduate courses. If I was going to be successful, I needed to read. And read. And read.

During the next few years, I amassed my own collection of books. When I came to a thorny patch in my instruction—for example, how to get students to apply grammar skills to their writing—I would look through the books for ideas and solutions. If I didn’t find the answer in my own books, I would borrow from my mother’s bookshelf or the reading specialist’s. I knew that I couldn’t become comfortable with every aspect of teaching reading and writing in one year, so I slowly built on my knowledge base and developed my own judgment.

This helped me to cope with the changes that swept through my classroom during the course of the next seven years. I started teaching seventh grade writing, then added sixth grade writing to the mix. When Integrated Language Arts came to our school a few years later, I was thrilled to be able to teach a ninety-minute block of reading and writing. Our state outcomes became content standards, our state testing program was transformed from performance-based assessment to “selected response,” or multiple choice, and the district middle school reading and writing department was headed by three different supervisors who dispersed three different curriculum manuals. As if these changes were not enough, I uprooted myself after seven years and went to teach a self-contained sixth grade class in a tiny rural district. Moving from a district with 28,000 students to a district with 1,80 was quite a culture shock.

Some people may have found the pace frustrating, but I liked the excitement. I learned how to adapt to new thinking and new ideas while still holding on to the philosophies and structures that worked in my classroom. The more things changed, the more I could see how some things remained the same. Whether I was teaching to outcomes or standards, whether my curriculum was organized according to theme or genre, whether I had a classroom with windows, I faced young adolescents every day. All the books in the world cannot prepare a teacher for what happens once the students walk into the room.

I certainly wasn’t prepared to teach summarizing. Included as a content standard and an assessment anchor, I knew that summarizing was important, and I dutifully tried to help my sixth and seventh graders write summaries of both fiction and nonfiction texts. I envisioned smoothly written short pieces, like those in TV Guide, that would elegantly capture the essence of a text with a minimum of words.

What I got were stacks of bizarre constructions that claimed to be summaries —or “sumeries,” as my students often wrote—that either copied whole sentences of text, focused on just one section, or missed the main points altogether. Sometimes I wondered if the students had read the same text that I had. The more able students could occasionally pull together a coherent comment or two, but often they would try to jam a summary into the traditional paragraph template — topic sentence, supporting details, concluding sentence.

I learned many things from the article. How tomb robbers took things from tombs, what they stole from tombs, and what they were like. It was a great article.

I wasn’t sure of how to help them. My usual comments—”Elaborate. Add more. Give more detail” —are not helpful for summarizing. The students thought I had become temporarily insane when I told them, “That’s too long. Make it short. Are those details necessary?”

Standing in front of the classroom with a student summary on the overhead projector, I struggled to explain to the students why it was not effective.

“But the article is about trees, right?” Patrick asked from the front row. “So why can’t I say, ‘This article is about trees?’”

I floundered. As the teacher, I was supposed to know these things! “It’s not good writing,” I said, finally.

“It sounds good to me,” Patrick said, to a chorus of agreement from elsewhere in the room. “I think it’s fine.”

I tried to use various graphic organizers or catchy formulas, but I couldn’t find anything that would work with every text every time. “Write down the main points and important details,” I told the students, only to realize that they could not find the main points or identify the important details.

To make matters worse, the usual rubric we used to assess reading comprehension questions did not work for summaries. We were focused on getting kids to include text evidence in their responses to questions. However, summaries don’t require explicit text evidence or references back to the text, and when kids tried to add those elements, they created some pretty strange responses.

This article was about tomb robbers in ancient Egypt. I know this because the author made the title be “Tom Robbers and the Mummy’s Treasure.” The author explained what treasures were in the tombs and how the tomb robbers stole the treasures. I know this because the author said so.


So I was faced with teaching something that I couldn’t explain and couldn’t assess. It was time to hit the books and find out what was really going on.

Strangely, though, I didn’t find very much written about summarizing. There were a few pages in a content area reading textbook, scattered mentions in books about reading strategies, and philosophical ruminations about what is important in a text. Most discussions of summarizing cited the same research and listed the same steps for helping kids to improve their work. I found little to tell me why students don’t summarize well, what skills students need to write good summaries, or the relationship between summarizing and reading comprehension.

Not much of a contest if you ask me.


update 10-5-07:

The right answer is teacher number 2!!!!!

Teacher number 2 is a mensch!!!!

Teacher number 2 also took it upon herself to go out and REALLY research what-is-a-summary-and-how-do-I-teach-it, and then to write a funny, self-deprecating story about this process by way of an introduction to her book on the subject of summaries, paraphrases, and retelling, which is terrific, btw.

Teacher number 1 is pretentious, self-obsessed ("I synthesized," "I checked my schema," "I surfed and I judged"), and disrespectful to young children ("Boring writing. Disappointing writing.")

It's appalling to write such words about a child's writing; it's even more appalling to write such words about a child's writing in short, two-word sentences that are clearly intended to display the author's command of variety in sentence length.

.............................

I found Teacher Number 1's book on Amazon nearly a year ago (I own the book by Teacher number 2).

The opening passage of Fluent Writing was really the first time I "got" the grandiosity of so many of these people.

I'm starting to think it's possible to spot a closet instructivist simply by analyzing the language he or she uses in letters and emails.

Direct and frank language may be a tip-off.

It's possible.

31 comments:

Independent George said...

...allowed teachers to plan their own lessons and make their own judgments. “But I have no judgment!” I remember wailing to my mother, also a teacher. “How do you think I learned what to do?” she asked, and showed me her bookshelf, which was covered with stacks and stacks of professional books. I got the message. I couldn’t expect to make it through a career of teaching with only the knowledge I had picked up in a handful of undergraduate courses. If I was going to be successful, I needed to read. And read. And read.

I'm rather disturbed by this passage - particularly, the casual assumption (by both the author and her mother) that learning how to actually teach is something done independently, and not something that should have been covered in her actual training. This seems to be a widely accepted situation amongst teachers - anecdotally, I've noticed that teachers tend to be the most cynical about the endless list of seminars, workshops, and conferences they're forced to go through. It doesn't seem to strike anyone as odd that they spend so much time & effort in training that has no impact whatsoever on their actual performance.

Most teachers I've known look at them the way I look at the 'leadership' or 'managing workplace relationships' training that HR pushes on us peons every year - something you smile through to make the bosses happy, but ignore ten seconds after you walk out the door. By contrast, the technical education we get (I work in the accounting industry) - tends to be very, very good. Shockingly enough, the boring classes on the stuff we actually use tends to be a lot more popular than those 'fun' classes.

There's always a gulf between academic learning and practical experience, but I can't think of any other profession where this kind of disparity exists. ("I really need to get to this guy's pancreas; guess I'm pulling an all-nighter tonight."). I've always wondered why teachers aren't the ones leading the charge against the ed schools. I love the dedication this teacher shows in trying to find answers, but I'm troubled by the fact she seems thinks it's perfectly normal that, in all her schooling, the answers never found her.

Anonymous said...

So I was faced with teaching something that I couldn’t explain and couldn’t assess.

Well, there you go.

I believe that would be what many of us call a RED FLAG.

Catherine Johnson said...

And she figured it out!

You're right: it is simply ASSUMED that ed school doesn't teach you how to teach - and that the work world is an endless series of pointless innovations.

Our kids are all dependent on finding these teachers, the ones who figure it out on their own.

Of course, to some degree, any responsible professional "figures it out" -- but they've had years of real training beforehand.

This teacher's scene in which she gets trounced by the whole language folks in one of her schools is priceless, btw.

Catherine Johnson said...

This is one of those "It's always worse than you think" situations, because in the next chapter, in the scene I just mentioned, she describes an entire crew of teachers assuming that summarizing is such a trivial skill a middle school teacher shouldn't have to teach it.

Anonymous said...

Actually, these are two terrible teachers. Both chose to teach writing by telling their students all about themselves. It's all about them, is it? Their subject isn't writing, it's themselves. First rule of writing: don't use "I". Why not? Because no one wants to read boring, mind numbing memoir about yourself. Teach the subject. Write about the subject.

Then they go on to show how they learned something when they knew nothing about the subject at hand. Why then should a student listen to two teachers pointing out their incompetence? To learn competence, find competence.

I recognize you cherry picked these examples, but boorish, self absorbed writing is not the way any teacher should be. Maybe the first is more competent than the second for at least mentioning her search for relevant subject matter rather than her feelings, but they were largely the same: useless at answering the question.

LynnG said...

I just had to chuckle about this:
He recounted his journey from the car ride to the airport parking lot, to the ticket counter to the takeoff, the meal, the movie, everything. The joyous two-day reunion with the relative got one short paragraph.

Personally, I could see my kids doing this. Who's to say that the kid wouldn't find the airplane meal more interesting than meeting some old relative? She may think it's boring, but the kid might well think the trip was way better than the meeting.

Anyway, Independent George said it all so well. In fact, both teachers do not seem troubled by standards or outcomes simply changing without explanation or training, or even any real research support out there.

I realize that these are excerpts, but did either try Direct Instruction? Break the task into smaller pieces and work the procedures head-on? I felt a little queasy about Teacher 2's gold standard being Reader's Digest.

Oh Well.

PaulaV said...

"Their subject isn't writing, it's themselves."

How would these kids know how to write about anything but themselves when they are asked to write in their writing journals from the minute they step through the school doors?

Writers workshop forces them to rely on writing about what they know which isn't much in kindergarten and first grade.

It is not about the mechanics, I've been told. It is about finding their "voice".

Catherine Johnson said...

No no no!!!!

I love teacher number 2!!

She's great!

Back later----

Teacher number one is the problem, and teacher number one is the person who sounds unkind, to me at least.

Catherine Johnson said...

It is not about the mechanics, I've been told. It is about finding their "voice".

Have you actually been told this?

PaulaV said...

Have you actually been told this?

Yes, by my son's third grade teacher last year. She wanted him to focus more on finding his voice in writing and the mechanics would work themselves out.

PaulaV said...

Also, last year I volunteered to help type up some reports, but after I had done a few, I was asked, "You didn't edit any of them, did you?"

When I replied yes, the teacher frowned and said I was to leave the papers as they were.

The grammar was so bad in some of them that it was hard to decipher exactly what the child was trying to say.

concernedCTparent said...

The expectation is that "working itself out" will happen often. At least that's what I've experienced so far in my children's elementary education.

In Everyday Math, the spiral will work itself out. The grammar and mechanics will magically work themselves out as well. Project based learning in which my child puts to use 3-D shoebox "floats" and posters will work itself into good writing some day as well. The problem is that if it doesn't, by then it's somebody else's problem and the problem, by the way, has grown proportionately.

PaulaV said...

It is hard for me to believe that things will work themselves out. I certainly want to believe they will, but I find it hard to leave things to chance.

concernedCTparent said...

I strongly believe that it won't. Bad habits become the norm over time and thereby more difficult to break. You don't suddenly wake up one day and magically understand grammar and structure, or math, or writing. It's complicated. It takes practice. Perfect practice, whenever possible and lots and lots of it.

Catherine Johnson said...

You know....some things do "work themselves out".....

But that's not the question.

The question is: What will work itself out, and what won't?

AND: for which children?

Catherine Johnson said...

Schools place a massive reliance on incidental learning over time.

Fine.

Tell us exactly what our kids are going to learn incidentally over time, and how you intend to assess what they've learned.

We can go from there.

Catherine Johnson said...

Last but not least, grammar, spelling, reading, and even writing are far easier to pick up incidentally, over time, than math.

The vast majority of students require explicit, careful teaching of mathematics using a coherent curriculum.

SteveH said...

"It is not about the mechanics, I've been told. It is about finding their 'voice'."

My son's first grade teacher told me about a meeting where the teachers examined first grade writings to find "voice". I didn't say anything, but I thought about how they never taught my son how to even hold a pencil correctly in Kindergarten. That was probably my first real experience with the school not caring about mechanics. Then came writing journals and Kid Spelling.

Now that he is in sixth grade, I find that they are much more interested in mechanics like neatness, spelling, and punctuation. (That works great on rubrics.) But there is still a big gap in the mechanics of writing. They talk about collecting their thoughts using a "web" of ideas, but little help writing good paragraphs and putting it all together.

This week, he is supposed to write down strong long-term memories. The teacher wants them to write about one of them. I assume that "voice" means showing your individual personality and the way to bring that out is by writing a lot of "I" stuff.

I don't have too much problem with this. I sometimes tell my son to write like he talks. (I thought it might be a good idea to get a speech recognition program for him.) It would be much more interesting. I just wish the school would show some indication that writing is more than that.

Ironically, he just got done reading "Dear Mr. Henshaw", where the main theme is that to write well, practice a lot and write about what you know. The book is a series of letters the boy writes to an author he likes. You get to read his letters and how they (magically) improve from the beginning to the end of the book. In the end, the main character wins recognition from an author because he wrote a story about a personal memory, rather than make one up.

When I was growing up, creative writing was just an elective in high school. Now, it appears to be the only thing.

SteveH said...

"Schools place a massive reliance on incidental learning over time."

As a boss of mine said long ago (before Nike):

"Just do it."

PaulaV said...

Bad habits are difficult to break. Invented spelling comes to my mind as a terrible habit taught to my children.

The reason some things "work themselves out" is because you have diligent parents who ensure this happens. You have teachers who go the extra mile or two or whatever it takes.

There are too many variables and how to you scarifice one subject for the other. Well, we will concentrate on reading and not math or math and not writing. It seems to be a toss up at my school.

Anonymous said...

There's also this love of having students write mostly on blank paper. We don't want to stifle them with lines.

Even though I have a severely LD kid who can't write without great difficulty, the teachers would send home questions where the answers were on blank paper. I started drawing out the lines for him so he at least had some sort of point of reference. This was in the early grades which made it even more maddening.

My SPED son could hardly see the lines when they were right in front of him. He only got practice when I went to the teacher store and purchased 1st grade writing paper. I did this all through grade school for him. Not a night went by where I wasn't saying something like, "Use the lines." When I questioned the teachers I never got much of an answer.

Lower case, upper case, letters floating off to the corners, all the same size, or sometimes giant size. I seemed to be the only one telling him that lower case letters were actually smaller.

When lines showed up on his papers it didn't occur to him that he was supposed to use them.

For my regular ed kid, the lines came out again for cursive and then mysteriously went away. This son tends to look at lines as suggestions.

If I don't make him rewrite things on the lines instead of willy-nilly, he wouldn't bother. Of course, his rubric neatness box would be low, but he would never understand why if I hadn't carried on about it over the years.

It is funny how we live in different states and hear almost the exact same things.

Independent George said...

Allison - I completely disagree; the first appears to be completely clueless as to exactly what problem it is she's trying to solve. Look closely at the last paragraph of the excerpt from the second teacher:

There were a few pages in a content area reading textbook, scattered mentions in books about reading strategies, and philosophical ruminations about what is important in a text. Most discussions of summarizing cited the same research and listed the same steps for helping kids to improve their work. I found little to tell me why students don’t summarize well, what skills students need to write good summaries, or the relationship between summarizing and reading comprehension.

In that one passage, she (1) identifies exactly what she needs to know (2) realizes that she's pretty much on her own to figure it out. I'm pretty impressed.

My problem with her passage is that she sees the fact that she's on her own as a normal situation, as opposed to a deeper structural flaw in her teacher training. Worse yet is the fact that she doesn't seem to be alone.

Doug Sundseth said...

We've heard the same things about "voice" as the other commenters, from two different schools and three different teachers. (One of those teachers was a kindergarten teacher.)

The emphasis on voice for kids that can't spell and have lousy handwriting* is of a piece with constructivist attempts to make math fun before making sure that math is understood.

In both cases, you need the craft before you can get to the art*. Teachers (and the ed schools that nominally teach them) want to get past the boring parts to get to the fun parts. It is an understandable desire; it just doesn't work with people.

* For what it's worth, I'm much less worried about grammar. "Spot has spots. The spots are black. Spot likes to play.", which is the sort of thing I've seen in much early writing, is entirely grammatical. Run-on sentences and sentence fragments can be a problem, but I think they are more easily remediated than "When fred Plas molopony, he hats too Loose."

** When people pay for painting instruction, the instructors make sure to teach technique first. When was the last time that you saw explicit instruction in how to draw things that look like things in a public-school art class? I certainly never got any such instruction. I'm sure that's entirely unrelated to the fact that I hated art classes in school, but spend a fair portion of my free time now painting.

"Constructivism, ruining more than just math for the last 50 years."

Silly Old Mom said...

Teacher #1 sounds like she's dumb as dirt, but with a good vocabulary.

Teacher #2 makes me wish I could send her a copy of "The Well-Trained Mind" and Susan Wise Bauer's tape "Writing Without Fear."

Narration, dictation, copywork. Mechanics first. Correct errors as they come up. Voice comes much, much later. Doing away with the expectation that all kids will love and be good at creative writing. Expecting kids to learn expository writing skills that will carry them all through life.

Is that rocket science?

SteveH said...

"In both cases, you need the craft before you can get to the art*."

From the first open house I went to when my son was going to Kindergarten, the message has always been: "We know and you don't." They don't say it in a mean way, but that's the message.

I remember them saying that they used "balanced literacy". This meant teaching things called "onset" and "rimes" instead of phonics. One parent asked about whole language. They were ready. Schools complain about PITA parents, but I know that many, many parents hold their tongues (myself included) at all of these open houses.

They never say that it's just their opinion. It has to be more that that. They call it Best Practices or Authentic Education.

concernedCTparent said...

Well, we will concentrate on reading and not math or math and not writing. It seems to be a toss up at my school.

This is huge! Often, teachers tend to focus on what they do well and what they personally enjoy at the expense of other subjects. Other times, they MUST focus on one or the other because of the results of the schools scores and some administrative mandate that requires splitting the baby.

My second grader's teacher loves writing. She is a writing tutor. She has published children's books. She pushes these little seven year olds to become writers. This is her passion. Math-- not so much. She's pretty open about math not being her thing and Everyday Math doing just fine. So why should she have to teach math? Why can't a teacher who LOVES math, teach math?

We need teachers to teach what they know profoundly and what they are passionate about even in the elementary grades. You cannot inspire a student if you are not yourself inspired.

SteveH said...

"Narration, dictation, copywork. Mechanics first. Correct errors as they come up. Voice comes much, much later. ..."


This is my idea of an education, but it's not their idea.

Years ago, I emailed a couple of people (parents) on the school committee and told them that they should send out copies of the Core Knowledge Series "What Your First (Second, Third, et.) Grader needs to know" and tell parents that this is NOT the education their child will receive. "The Well-Trained Mind" would work too.

It's not rocket science, but it's also not their idea of education.

LynnG said...

Out of the blue this year, my daughter is expected to use narrow lined notebook paper and ink for her science labs.

All of this is new. The frustration levels are ridiculously high for what should, by now, be a procedural issue. I don't understand. Do the 6th grade teachers have no idea what these kids have done before and what they are capable of?

Apparently not. Anyway, we leap from no lines, poster board projects, to narrow lines, In INK. Ink is a problem for someone just beginning to master narrow lines. Especially if you have pretty much the worst handwriting in the 6th grade.

To top it off, the math teacher absolutely forbids ink. It's taxing her short term memory cells at this point to try to remember if the homework she is doing is supposed to be in ink or pencil or narrow or wide lines.

Thank goodness the history teacher allows the student to choose the writing implement (she is allowed to type!) and paper-style.

One out of three teachers cares about content. Two out of three care deeply about aesthetics. It's going to be that kind of a year.

LynnG said...

For the record, I prefer teacher 2. Teacher 1 is mean.

But I feel bad for all those classrooms of kids being led through projects by teachers who are figuring it out as they go along.

Catherine Johnson said...

I thought it might be a good idea to get a speech recognition program for him.)

You should try it.

I won't be able to dig any of it now, but I'm pretty sure there is REAL resesarch, as well as teacher experience (possibly Ed, iirc) showing that dictated writing is quite a bit better than written writing in students who are learning to write.

I remember finding those studies fascinating.

And...yes. I'm pretty sure Ed says students - college students - talk quite a bit better than they write.

Catherine Johnson said...

That wasn't a criticism, particularly.

Talking comes first...