kitchen table math, the sequel: David Labaree on the 2 factions inside progressive education

Monday, July 14, 2008

David Labaree on the 2 factions inside progressive education

This paper tells a story about progressivism, schools and schools of education in twentieth-century America. Depending on one’s position in the politics of education, this story can assume the form of a tragedy or a romance, or perhaps even a comedy. The heart of the tale is the struggle for control of American education in the early twentieth century between two factions of the movement for progressive education. The administrative progressives won this struggle, and they reconstructed the organization and curriculum of American schools in a form that has lasted to the present day. Meanwhile the other group, the pedagogical progressives, who failed miserably in shaping what we do in schools, did at least succeed in shaping how we talk about schools. Professors in schools of education were caught in the middle of this dispute, and they ended up in an awkwardly compromised position. Their hands were busy—preparing teachers to work within the confines of the educational system established by the administrative progressives, and carrying out research to make this system work more efficiently. But their hearts were with the pedagogues. So they became the high priests of pedagogical progressivism, keeping this faith alive within the halls of the education school, and teaching the words of its credo to new generations of educators. Why is it that American education professors have such a longstanding, deeply rooted and widely shared rhetorical commitment to the progressive vision? The answer can be found in the convergence between the history of the education school and the history of the childcentered strand of progressivism during the early twentieth century. Historical circumstances drew them together so strongly that they became inseparable. As a result, progressivism became the ideology of the education professor. Education schools have their own legend about how this happened, which is a stirring tale about a marriage made in heaven, between an ideal that would save education and a stalwart champion that would fight the forces of traditionalism to make this ideal a reality. As is the case with most legends, there is some truth in this account. But here a different story is told. In this story, the union between pedagogical progressivism and the education school is not the result of mutual attraction but of something more enduring: mutual need. It was not a marriage of the strong but a wedding of the weak. Both were losers in their respective arenas: child-centered progressivism lost out in the struggle for control of American schools, and the education school lost out in the struggle for respect in American higher education. They needed each other, with one looking for a safe haven and the other looking for a righteous mission. As a result, education schools came to have a rhetorical commitment to progressivism that is so wide that, within these institutions, it is largely beyond challenge. At the same time, however, this progressive vision never came to dominate the practice of teaching and learning in schools—or even to reach deeply into the practice of teacher educators and researchers within education schools themselves.

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The first thing we need to acknowledge about the history of the progressive education movement in the United States is that it was not a single entity but instead a cluster of overlapping and competing tendencies. All of the historians of this movement are agreed on this point.

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The second thing we need to recognize about the history of this movement is that the administrative progressives trounced their pedagogical counterparts. Ellen Lagemann explains this with admirable precision: ‘I have often argued to students, only in part to be perverse, that one cannot understand the history of education in the United States during the twentieth century unless one realizes that Edward L. Thorndike won and John Dewey lost.

What this means for our purposes is that the pedagogical progressives had the most impact on educational rhetoric, whereas the administrative progressives had the most impact on the structure and practice of education in schools. A sign of the intellectual influence exerted by the pedagogical group is that their language has come to define what we now call progressivism. And this language has become the orthodox way for teachers and teacher educators to talk about classroom instruction. At the same time, however, it was the administrative progressives who were most effective in putting their reforms to work in the daily life of schools.

Progressivism, Schools and Schools of Education: An American Romance (pdf file)
David F. Labaree
Paedagogica Historica,
Vol. 41, Nos. 1&2, February 2005, pp. 275–280


in a nutshell

  • there were at least 2 factions inside the progressive education movement: the pedagogical progressives (Dewey) & the administrative progressives (Thorndike)
  • Thorndike won
  • ed schools teach administrative progressive education while speaking the language of pedagogical progressivism

parents at sea

Meanwhile, parents are mystified. We're hearing "child-centered" from the same people who are processing our kids through a not very efficient sorting machine.


spilt religion - Hirsch on progressive education & Romanticism
David Labaree on the 2 factions
Labaree on constructivism
Hirsch on Labaree

Hirsch, E.D., "Romancing the Child," Education Next, 1 (Spring 2001).
Labaree, David F., "Progressivism, Schools, and Schools of Education: An American Romance," Paedagogica Historica (Gent), 41 (Feb. 2005), 275–89. (pdf file)

10 comments:

Anonymous said...

What an enlightening post for me. I got my BS and MS in mathematics and began teaching at a community college. I have always enjoyed mathematics for it's beauty and intrinsic value; therefore, while I was getting these two degrees I took ZERO education classes. About 4 years ago I had the opportunity to pursue an EdD in Curriculum and Instruction. This was my first exposure to any kind of education school ideas and philosophies. I have been pretty frustrated with the inconsistency between how the professors taught and what they claimed to be the best ways to teach. I have also been frustrated with the inconsistency between what the professors say are the best ways to teach and what methods can actually be used in the current system. This post has gone a long way in helping me see why there are so many inconsistencies. Basically, the language and the methods are from different philosophical frameworks and are, largely, incompatible. I will have to dig into this more.

Anonymous said...

To add to Mr BrewHaHa's comment, I too had a light go on when I read your explanation. To add to the frustration, parents are mystified but sometimes add to the problem. Some parents really like the sorting machine. I have seen dozens of parents speak in favor of tracking and homogeneous groupings. It is no surprise that most of these parents represented the CP and honors programs. My point is that the present system has been in place so long, I believe many parents would support the administrative progressive movement because that is all they know.

Catherine Johnson said...

Hi brewhaha & dcowart--

I got my BS and MS in mathematics and began teaching at a community college.... About 4 years ago I had the opportunity to pursue an EdD in Curriculum and Instruction.

oh gosh, yes! that's exactly the experience so many teachers, parents, and career-changers have.

the language and the methods are from different philosophical frameworks and are, largely, incompatible.

Yes!

That was a revelation to me as well. It makes perfect sense, and it explains why constructivist educators continue to feel the schools need progressive reforms -- in fact, the schools do need progressive reforms from the perspective of a pedagogical progressive.

This is something that has always confused me, because around my parts there are quite a few extremely elite, expensive (30K/yr) progressive schools that do a very good job educating their students.

I used to think that was because their faculties hadn't gone to ed school, which could have something to do with it; Ed's hypothesis was that private schools hire people like you, who have BAs & MAs in a liberal arts discipline. I'm sure that has a great deal to do with it.

However, it's also the case that expensive private progressive schools are practicing pedagogical progressive ed, not administrative progressive education.

Here's an interesting factoid (interesting to me, that is...): Diane Ravitch sent both of her kids to private progressive schools. In Manhattan, I believe.

Catherine Johnson said...

dcowart --

I believe I've seen parents like the sorting machine, too. I hesitate to say this...because I'm probably still a little too "close" to the situation of parents and kids to have perspective.

Nevertheless, I've had that perception.

However, I don't think parents have to be "pro sorting" when they advocate tracking or ability grouping.

Once you see flexible ability grouping as a way to move everyone forward as efficiently as possible, "ability grouping" really becomes "achievement grouping."

Achievement grouping should be like what is done in a community college, where you place into whatever level of course you're ready for.

Catherine Johnson said...

Labaree, David F., "Progressivism, Schools, and Schools of Education: An American Romance," Paedagogica Historica (Gent), 41 (Feb. 2005), 275–89.

Progressivism, Schools and Schools of Education: An American Romance (pdf file)

ElizabethB said...

"Diane Ravitch sent both of her kids to private progressive schools. In Manhattan, I believe."

That is very interesting. I also noted with interest while reading her book that homeschoolers were achieving many of the goals of progressivism--and that meeting most of its stated goals were only possible in a small environment, and only after learning the basics first. I recall thinking that that was very funny to me, but probably wouldn't be funny to most diehard progressives, many of whom seem to be reflexively opposed to homeschooling.

ElizabethB said...

"Diane Ravitch sent both of her kids to private progressive schools. In Manhattan, I believe."

That is very interesting. I also noted with interest while reading her book that homeschoolers were achieving many of the goals of progressivism--and that meeting most of its stated goals were only possible in a small environment, and only after learning the basics first. I recall thinking that that was very funny to me, but probably wouldn't be funny to most diehard progressives, many of whom seem to be reflexively opposed to homeschooling.

Catherine Johnson said...

I was shocked when I read that Ravitch had sent her kids to progressive schools (I think it's in Left Back somewhere, but I don't remember).

I used to be surprised every time I'd discover that there are a zillion progressive-ed home schoolers & unschoolers until reading Labaree and realizing that Thorndike progressivism is wildly different from Dewey progressivism.

Howard Gardner says the same thing (not sure whether he uses Dewey vs. Thorndike). iirc, he pretty much says a school can't do progressive ed well unless the students are highly motivated children of educated parents (something like that - I may be mis-paraphrasing).

I'm not drawn to progressive ed at all; I'm just not temperamentally suited to it.

But now that I've had a look at extremely good progressive education, I understand the appeal. I also understand that progressive education done well is a very good education.

Anonymous said...

Two questions that I always have during these kinds of discussions are:

1) Is pedagogical prog. ed. appropriate for the average to below-average student? And can it be done at scale?

2) How does this disscussion apply to community colleges/higher ed.?

Anonymous said...

I love how you said flexible ability groups! That will lead to achievement rather than stagnation.