kitchen table math, the sequel: bean counters & others

Thursday, March 8, 2012

bean counters & others

My first public foray into anti-Triboroughism.
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6 comments:

SteveH said...

The IBM example of pay is typical for many companies. They put people into pay categories with fixed pay limits, review workers once or twice a year, and set enormously high stadards of expectation. Managers don't look good to their bosses if too many employees are at the highest performance level. Also, they don't want to deal with the potential complaints of putting bad workers into the lowest level. This means that people are thrilled to get a 2-3% raise, but this is unlikely as your pay gets higher. The company starts talking about the actual dollars you are getting. Also, if some are getting 3%, then that has to come out of someone else's pay. Then, if you get to the top of your pay category, they just set up more hoops for you to jump through to be promoted to the next level.

Ultimately, however, it's all driven by supply and demand for your job skills. Companies are taking advantage of what I call job inertia. People will put up with less money just because they don't want to move or prove themselves all over in a new job. At some point, however, you might realize (usually by seeing someone else leave the company) that you can make a lot more by going to another company. I'm sure that there is a pattern of job follow-the-leader to other companies. This keeps companies honest - a little bit.

Companies can pay you whatever they want. They make up the job categories and pay limits. They can give out over-inflation raises if they decide to. The company might be making profits that far exceed inflation.

In the first company I worked, where I used to go on their college recruiting trips, we thought we figured out the corporation's policy. We would go to good colleges (like RPI) and only interview students with 3.75 or higher grade point averages. They would be offered very competitive starting salaries, and since they were young, their salaries would increase by the highest percentages each year. After a few years, some might jump ship and leave, but many would get married and settle down in the area. Then, the company would start giving these people less and less for raises. They would claim that there were fixed dollars that were allocated for each department for raises. Some years, departments were told that 10% of the employees would get no raises. The department managers would know who to pick - the ones least likely to leave.

Ultimately, supply and demand keep companies honest, but in the public education world, it's all about having everything controlled by contract negotiation, even preventing parental influence and control via charter schools. They have lost the argument that people with comparable educational backgrounds and job risk make more money.

March 9, 2012 at 5:55 AM
lgm said...

The public here wants the union negotiations on the table, in front of the public, and they want line item votes. They want salary and compensation comparable to private industry. They have been vocal in saying so.
This is a rural area. High paid, low responsibility gov't workers here cannot hide their relative wealth. People are sick of going to work while the neighbor parties, goes to the second home during all the time off, and travels to exotic destinations all summer. They don't like the idea of paying for people to retire in their late 40s while they work into their mid 60s. They don't like paying more than full time wages for part time work. They don't like having to hold fund raisers for normal people's catastrophic medical expenses while they have to spend thousands to give generous benefits to others, that they themselves do not have. The lack of compassion by those picking the public's pocket is going to have lasting repercussions.

March 14, 2012 at 5:53 AM
Catherine Johnson said...

Rural NY has the highest property taxes, relative to income, in the country, right?

March 14, 2012 at 3:42 PM
lgm said...

It depends on the town.
http://www.empirecenter.org/files/PropTaxBench-MidHudson-051211.pdf

March 14, 2012 at 4:15 PM
Catherine Johnson said...

High paid, low responsibility gov't workers here cannot hide their relative wealth.

Right --- and it's hidden here. Not only hidden, but I have teacher friends who believe they are much poorer than everyone else, when in fact they're at the very top of the heap.

One family I know, with two spouses teaching in the public schools, has a household income of $225K at a minimum. Probably more.

They're at the 95th percentile for household income -- just 4 points away from the famous 1% -- and they see themselves as middle or even lower middle class.

March 14, 2012 at 4:33 PM
Catherine Johnson said...

I'm paying their retirement and pension.

March 14, 2012 at 4:33 PM

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