kitchen table math, the sequel: it's always worse than you think

Wednesday, February 14, 2007

it's always worse than you think

One of my goals in life is to learn enough math so I can learn statistics, especially Bayesian statistics.

Since I don't know statistics, all I can do with this Andrew Gelman post is surmise that he's suggesting that our family motto (number 2)* - it's always worse than you think - may be correct.

Robin Hanson asks the following question here:

How does the distribution of truth compare to the distribution of opinion? That is, consider some spectrum of possible answers, like the point difference in a game, or the sea level rise in the next century. On each such spectrum we could get a distribution of (point-estimate) opinions, and in the end a truth. So in each such case we could ask for truth's opinion-rank: what fraction of opinions were less than the truth? For example, if 30% of estimates were below the truth (and 70% above), the opinion-rank of truth was 30%.

If we look at lots of cases in some topic area, we should be able to collect a distribution for truth's opinion-rank, and so answer the interesting question: in this topic area, does the truth tend to be in the middle or the tails of the opinion distribution? That is, if truth usually has an opinion rank between 40% and 60%, then in a sense the middle conformist people are usually right. But if the opinion-rank of truth is usually below 10% or above 90%, then in a sense the extremists are usually right.

My response:

1. As Robin notes, this is ultimately an empirical question which could be answered by collecting a lot of data on forecasts/estimates and true values.

2. However, there is a simple theoretical argument that suggests that truth will be, generally, more extreme than point estimates, that the opinion-rank (as defined above) will have a distribution that is more concentrated at the extremes as compared to a uniform distribution.


I could be wrong.

I probably am.

[pause]

OK, I've just read the Overcoming Bias post to which Gelman is responding.

Where public education is concerned I have the answer.

The truth is always in the long tail.

Always.
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* family motto number 1 being no common sense-y

2 comments:

Anonymous said...

Bayes Theory brought statistics into its own by allowing us to calculate conditional probabilities. Students have a hard time with BT, because so often, it contradicts what we think should be. To introduce BT, we use the standard epidemiology model, that we have a disease that infects 0.1% of the population. An infected patient tests positive 99% of the time, and an uninfected patient tests negative 95% of the time. What is the probability that a test will return a false positive?

Logic would tell us the answer would be very low, when in fact, the test will return a false positive 98.1% of the time.

Bayes is applied in all kinds of fields, including artificial intelligence.

Catherine Johnson said...

To introduce BT, we use the standard epidemiology model, that we have a disease that infects 0.1% of the population. An infected patient tests positive 99% of the time, and an uninfected patient tests negative 95% of the time. What is the probability that a test will return a false positive?

yup

That moment was a big one for me.